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diesel war?

Post in 'The Gear' started by Foragefarmer, Aug 21, 2013.

  1. Highbeam

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    These are on the road NOW. I followed one on my motorcycle merging onto the freeway and it accelerated very well. Look for the little green emblem on the trunk lid.

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  2. charly

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    I'm betting it will be near a 40 thousand dollar car too.
  3. RSNovi

    RSNovi Feeling the Heat

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    I think I read the Ram diesel is a $3k option. I wish Ford would join the game with a diesel or even Chevy.
  4. Joful

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    In 3/4 ton, diesel is an $7995 option, even with downgrade from auto to manual trans.
  5. RSNovi

    RSNovi Feeling the Heat

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    Sorry, I should have specified Ram 1500.
  6. Kevin*

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    Ford did but their market research said the market didn't want it. They will finish r&d soon I bet to compete if they start loosing sales.
  7. basod

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    GM had a 1/2T diesel project in the works prior to the bankruptcy -a lot of money in R&D sitting on the shelf right now.

    I hadn't been keeping up with the release date, just knew of the plan to introduce sometime this year. Looks like a diesel Cruze comes in ~$27k hard to tell what trim package it comes in
    Might be GM dipping their toe in the water which is easier with an engine that has been running in Europe for several years now.
    Something tells me a reasonable sized/priced diesel in a 1/2T with mid 20's MPG would sell like hot cakes
  8. JustWood

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    Ford is coming out with a 5 cylinder 3.2 powerstroke next year. I believe it will only be available in vans.
  9. basod

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    Ford's "One Plan" - bring strangely designed vehicles to every continent;) . GM is following their lead, except the new Colorado/Canyon will be slightly reshaped for the NA market
  10. pybyr

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    What I'd drool over would be a six cylinder, in-line, long stroke (small bore, long crankshaft throw- for lots of torque) 4 liter (240 CI) turbo diesel. Inline sixes, though largely forgotten these days (except for the Cummins/ Dodge and lots of big highway trucks) are inherently balanced, smoother than any other engine design, and with a long stroke, very torquey- and the inline layout makes it possible to have a turbo without an unmanageable mess of intake and exhaust piping to and fro over top of, behind, and around a V-bank engine. I'd like sort of a little brother to the Cummins TD. And I'd have nothing against electronics as long as it's kept as simple as feasible (which can be done, it's just that the manufacturers don't seem to want to bother).
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    Or a three-cylinder even, if you're really, really determined:

    http://www.farmshow.com/view_articles.php?a_id=87
  12. RSNovi

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    I think a big reason why there are so many complicated electronics is because of the emission standards.
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  13. charly

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    I love my straight 6BT Cummins diesel. 2004 starting to rust, but will try to keep her alive... 147,000 miles,, like new...for a diesel.. 24mpg highway, 1 ton, 5 spd,, I love every minute behind the wheel.. An awesome truck to drive, especially having a standard.. I just feather through the gears..
  14. Machria

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    EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I had a 1978 VW Rabbit, with a Diesel in it. BEST CAR I have ever owned, by far! It got 52 MPG. Yes, FIFTY TWO MILES PER GALLON of diesel fuel, which in the early 80's cost about 65 CENTS per gallon! The fuel tanks was 10 gallons, which meant a FULL tank of fuel was under $7 (yes, you read correctly, less than 7 dollars!). And for 7 gardamn dollars I would travel 500 miles! FIVE HUNDRED MILES for SEVEN DOLLARS! I was in college at the time, and my school was exactly 225 miles from my home on Long Island. So $7 would get me a round trip to and from school. I would take 3 other passengers AND their baggage, and charge $30 each for the round trip which was bargain for them. Meanwhile, I had a profit of $83, read: BEER money for the next few weeks (hey, Schlitz was 99 cents a sixpack back then!) before I made a run home again. That Rabbit had 250k miles on it, when an old girlfiend of mine wrecked it. It was still running perfect, and looked perfect, probably good for another 100k if it hadn't been wrecked.

    What KILLS me about all this is, we are now 40 GARDAMN years later and we can't buy a frukin car that gets 30 MPG! We can send 6 guys up to space, let them live up their for 6 months with no extra fuel or food..... We can send a dune buggy up to mars, and drive it around via remote control taking pictures and video all while doing science lab projects ON MARS sending all the data back to earth millions and millions of miles away!

    BUT your telling me we can't make a simple CAR that gets the same or better fuel economy that my 4 door hatchback got in 1978? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

    This just KILLS me!
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  15. charly

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    They don't want to make a car that good again! We'd have money to spend on other things besides fuel,,, guess that would be a bad thing as maybe it would turn the economy around! Now we wouldn't want that to happen would we ::-)! With the price of fuel now we would need a diesel Rabbit that would get 250 plus miles to a gallon to get back to those days! Pretty sad! Whole thing is a big rip off!
  16. Stephen in SoKY

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    My little Jetta (Somewhat heavier) got 50 regardless of how I drove it. In the city, A/C on, no problem. It did NOT belch black smoke either. It had quite adequate acceleration and was solid & comfortable as well. I did have one advantage on fuel: My family farmed and kept tanks/electric pumps of off road diesel............

    Want the same Rabbit/Jetta/Passat that we used to have brand new? Just head south of the border. I'm so glad the border stops all those perceived nasty emissions and prevents their entry into the United States.

    ETA: Grab a new pair of Stihls while you're down there. They'll still adequately oil their bars and the mufflers will still be open enough to let them run. Need a 660 here in the States? A 440 will be more than enough if bought down there.
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    No... we don't. Rather than complaining about a system you can't fix... learn to use it to your advantage.

    <--- started acquiring Exxon stock in 2002...
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  18. Machria

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    SELL IT! Exxon and the rest of the oil companies will all be bankrupt in short order when the "new fuel" that is about to be invented comes out. SELL SELL SELL!


    Personally, I have no haitred for large oil companies as most poeple do. I have hatred for the American CAR companies! They should be ashamed of themselves for what they did to America, Americans, the American reputation, and our economy and job problems over the last 30 years. The only people worse than them are the Wall street bonus jack-arses! ;)

    If Ford, GM and Chrystler would have spent some of the TRILLIONS they pocketed over that time period back into R&D, we would likely not be driving at all, we would all be flying around in computerized flying PODS that do not crash, and travel from NY to LA in 15 minutes!
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    I came to this late and didn't read all three pages, but I'd like to add that I would like to have one of those "baby" 400 pounds of torque engines in a 3/4 ton truck. about the same power as the V10 in my F250 with much better mileage would be awesome! Especially if I could get it with a 6spd manual trans. Who the hell needs 800+ pounds of torque in a light truck anyway?
  20. Foragefarmer

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    The VW Polo in Europe gets over 70 MPG with the diesel engine in it.

    Three things in no particular order, EPA, Big Oil, Congress.
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    Those wanting to gross 37,600 lbs;)(2014 Cummins)
  22. MasterMech

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    You need a CDL to drive that (when loaded that heavy) if I understand the laws correctly. Well over the 26,000 lb threshold.

    Not really sure I want to be that heavy driving a pickup.
  23. lukem

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    You wouldn't catch me at almost 40k in a pickup, ever. That's got stupid written all over it.
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  24. Joful

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    Someday, sure... but not yet. This one's still on the way up, probably a few more years.

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  25. Flatbedford

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    That's my point. Total overkill for light truck. Makes them too expensive, too heavy, and now too thirsty. It seems lots of the fleet buyers are going back to the gassers in light trucks now. Too much of a premium price for the oil burners and not much efficiency advantage any more.

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