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Englander 25pdvc Motor Noise

Post in 'The Pellet Mill - Pellet and Multifuel Stoves' started by FrankM, Jan 25, 2008.

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  1. FrankM

    FrankM Member

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    I am getting a loud squeek from my Englander 25pdvc. I am assuming the motor that runs on timed intervals is the upper auger, if not please let me know what is making the motorized hum. Any way the squeek begins as that motorized sound is comming to an end. The reason I am unsure if that sound is the upper auger motor is because when I looked in the hopper the auger would turn at a different time as the timed motorized sound. In other words I hear the motor and the auger is not turning, the motor stops and the the auger turns. Could the auger be spinning inside the motor? Or does the motor have a flat spot on the shaft making this impossible? This all my sound confusing but that is because I am confused at what is actually making the motorized noise at timed intervals. Thank you

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  2. drogers5

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    Your squeek is more then likely carbon buildup on the bottom augar. I get a hum when the top augar is turning, to big deal. As far as the squeek I would look at your augar tube, if the carbon gets to thick it can jam your augar and burn up the motor. Hope this helps.
  3. FrankM

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    Thanks for the info. I cleaned the stove and tried the powdered graphite trick and so far the stove is running nice and quite. I am still curious as to what the motor is that runs at timed intervals. As I stated in my original post it does not seem to be synchronized with the turning of the top auger but that is probably what it is. The squeak seemed to happen only when that motor ran. Thanks again for the reply!
  4. stoveguy2esw

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    the only motor that runs and stops on interval is the top auger, your friend above who posted about the carbon was spot on , and the graphite helps as well, the "intermittant" squeak was from the carbon , it lifts the nose of the auger and causes it to "drag" across the top of the tube, this is a moaning type of squeak most times which lasts for about 3 to 6 seconds, which is much longer than the cycle time of the top auger. keep that carbon cleared out and that noise will not come back
  5. FrankM

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    Mike,
    Thanks for your reply. After cleaning and using the graphite all is well. Enjoying the cozy warmth of the stove once again! Can you recommend any type of tool or brush to clean the auger tube? Or is an old screw driver the tool of choice? This is a great site for info! Thanks again to all who have replied.
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    i have not as of yet found a better tool than a plain old flat tip screwdriver, i do use an emory board sometimes as well to "sand " out the stuff , but if its heavy , scrape it with the screwdriver regularly and no more squeak
  7. petejung

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    I had the same thing... Thought it was the top auger, as the sound was always intermittent - so, knowing the top auger only runs every so often, seems logical enough to assume it's the top auger. After graphiting the crap out of it several times, I finally got off my lazy butt and scraped the bottom tube out. Was really surprised that there was that much buildup in there... But that solved the problem right away. No more noise. Scraping that tube is now part of my 2x a week maintenance plan.
  8. HD41

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    This was my experience also, I had used a emery board as suggested thinking I had done the job but found carbon builds on the bottom so clearance varies depending on where the auger flute stops. Nothing to do with noise but I also noticed ash starting buildup behind the two dime sized holes in the sides of the lower part of the burn pot. It had not caused a problem yet, I poked there with a weld rod and sucked the ash out with a shop vac.
  9. FrankM

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    I made this tool out of a round rasp, an extension and some threaded stock. I put it into my cordless drill and it works great to quickly remove any carbon build-up that is in the auger tube.

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    ok.....can someone enlighten me. I have drained my hopper a few times and made sure to vacuum out the fines periodically. I cant see where you all are talking of carbon buildup.....is it just a certain brand stove? I dont get any carbon build up that I can see on the Quad I have?
  11. petejung

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    We're specifically talking about the Englander 25-PDVC stove. This stove has two augers, one top and one bottom. The top receives pellets from the hopper and feeds them into the bottom auger tube, which in turn feeds pellets to the burn pot. The carbon buildup is around the inside of the bottom auger tube where it empties into the burn bot. I'm not sure how your Quad is set up, but you'd want to look in that location if you have a similar setup.
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    my 25pdvc is starting the groan... how do you clean all the way in the lower auger tube? the auger is in the way. or do you just clean as much as you can?
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    I just clean as much as possible, but that's usually all of it. The auger does occasionally stop in the way and when it does you can only clean most of the carbon. The carbon buildup on mine is only into the tube about 3/4" so cleaning it out is easy.
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    guys, I also get this squealing noise that lasts 3 to 5 seconds and the noise is almost gone when I hit the "off" button, then the noise is 1/3 of what it was.

    So this seems like the top auger is making much of the noise but also the bottom auger is also making a bit of the noise.

    Any way to clean the top auger or it has to be taken out and re-aligned? I assume there's no carbon buildup on the top auger, so why the noise then?

    Lastly, the graphite has been talked before, dod you empty the hopper completely and then apply the power and then pour the pellets, what's the best procedure?
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    I have never used any graphite on my augers, and I have no problem with squealing.When the stove was new I did need to center the augers in the housing to stop the occasional noise.
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    For the less initiated among us a word to the wise using that rasp with a drill driver, Keep it light and careful. I use one of those from time to time and it will probably gnaw a hole right through the tube if you get too ambitious with it. Just be careful and don't get carried away. This advice is from the guy who has ground the callouses off his feet with a dremel tool on occasion. Try that one some time if you want to develop a light touch. You know something I bet that puppy would knock those callouses off too but might be a tad too aggressive. Better to stick with a Pedi Egg I guess.
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    was it difficult, did you have to remove and re-align?
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    It was pretty simple. Unplugged the stove, pulled off the back panel, removed the auger motors, and loosened the 4 bolts holding in the augers. Once these were loose I moved the augers around until I didn't scrape the side of the tubes and tightened the bolts. It took all of about 10 minutes.
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    ok, thanks.....I thought about doing this and as a matter of fact have the pdf with instructions, but then felt like leaving this for end of the season because my stove is installed in an angle against a corner and there's no much room for me to get there.....unless I removed the pipe and pull stove forward, which I don't want to.

    I have the 25-PDV.

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