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Got my FIRST wood delivery..... BUT....

Post in 'The Wood Shed' started by HearthKB, Aug 21, 2008.

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  1. the_dude

    the_dude Feeling the Heat

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    Nope, I don't see no nothing!

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  2. gyrfalcon

    gyrfalcon Minister of Fire

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    I'm confused. THere's no empty space in the posts where the pix are supposed to be? No blank space?

    Clever Microsoft likes to change the items in the drop-down menus from version to version of IE just to keep us all on their toes. Go check through all those drop-down menus for anything that might have settings of one kind of another in it, and look through every tab and option to find the stuff that controls images. It might be somewhere in "preferences," if you can find that, or elsewhere in the "tools" menu.

    There's some setting somewhere that's screwing things up for you.

    Or switch to Firefox.
  3. Jerry_NJ

    Jerry_NJ Minister of Fire

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    Well we may be shifting to a Computer Help forum, but let's run this a bit further. What browser are you using, and do you ever get pictures when browsing?
  4. the_dude

    the_dude Feeling the Heat

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    I give up! I checked everywhere for a setting and I got nothing. I have internet explorer version 6.0. I would like to change, but this is my work computer ;-)

    On the original post on this thread, there is a gap between the last sentence and the signature box about twice the space as a normal post. But there is no other indication that there would be a picture there. But, the thread by nishif (sp) about his new wood shed, I can see all his pic's. Same with the new install threads. Half I can see the pic's, the other half is nothing.

    I will have to check my puter at home to see if I can see all pic's. Maybe big brother is screwing with me so I get to work.

    P.S. Sorry for hijacking this thread!
  5. Jerry_NJ

    Jerry_NJ Minister of Fire

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    IE 6.0 is rather old, and may not support the latest formats. I don't know this to be the problem with your missing pictures.

    You can try posting your problem on: http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/comphelp/ there is a lot of computer expertise there. Still, not much on IE 6.0 I would guess.
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    I'm using IE6. Pics are fine.
  7. HearthKB

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    OK.. Guys...Back to topic for a second. ;)

    I fixed my wheel barrow tire and stacked another 6'x5' rack tonight.

    So now that makes:

    11'x'5'x18"=82.5
    8'x4'x18"= 48
    6'x5'x18"= 25

    Total of 155 Cubic Feet.

    It looks like there is "Possibly" one more 6'x5' rack of wood left. So if I add on another 25, its still only 180 cubic feet which is 76 cubic feet short of what I should have received!!!

    I'm going to finish this up tomorrow afternoon and give the wood dealer a call. Wish me luck!!!

    -Kevin-
  8. Jerry_NJ

    Jerry_NJ Minister of Fire

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    Hum, about 25% short, that's about "right". I've never, that I can remember, gotten anything like a cord when that is what I ordered. Well, maybe a couple of times. I think the quick and easy approach for those who have the big dump trucks is to dump, front end loader, split wood into a 128 cubic foot "box" and when it is full they say "full cord". Of course this load has a lot of air in it, that disappears when the wood is stacked.

    You have a legitimate grip, but that's about what I expect to get for $190 a cord. My last purchase was supposed to be a cord, but when I argued that it wasn't before stacking, he reduced the price from $195 to $175, which I took, and I think I got about $160 worth based on the assumption that a full cord cost $195..i.e., I got about 75% of a cord. I didn't go back for an adjustment.

    Good luck.
  9. Kaabi

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    Well at least you got somewhat of a price reduction. Better than nothing!
  10. Todd

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    Hopefully he will do the right thing and bring the rest, then you can go get 4 cords of that good stuff you showed me on your PM. That should put you a year ahead. ;-)
  11. Max Headroom

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    I just had a similar experience. I ordered 2 cords of seasoned hardwood from a local tree service @ $220 per cord. It was delivered and he billed me, which I took as a good sign. The wood is well seasoned, which is a plus, but once stacked it measured out @ 1.5 cords. I called the guy up and he said he would come over and take a look and make it right if it was short. Well and took a "look", then called up saying that he stood by his "measurement". When I pushed back and asked him about actually measuring my stacks he went bonkers, ranting about his reputation, references, how he measures his loads, and everything else except actually measuring my stacks. He had somehow concluded that I was just trying to screw him and that was that. Now at this point I still haven't paid him, so to calm him down I told him that he would get his money, and if we couldn't resolve the difference we just wouldn't do anymore business. Anyway, we got to the point where he said he would settle up by dropping off half a cord of green rounds, which was good enough for me seeing I have enough dry wood for this year. At this point I paid him. I'll be very surprised to see the additional wood, and unless he recalibrates his measuring methods he can forget about any repeat business. Just another example of a a cord really being about .75. More incentive to cut my own!
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    Your are so right there i spent 1200 to 1300 last year on wood i used 5 different people last year, the frist loads would be pretty close then after that it would be all down hill. I started cutting my own in feb of last year and i am over 20 cords. i spend about 2500 on cutting equiment and i have two years of wood right now and i am not done yet.
  13. MaineMike100

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    In the State of Maine that would be referred to as a "loose thrown cord" which is an allowable form of measure for sale, but for 16" wood it requires 180 cubic feet, and for 24" wood 195 cubic feet. The theory is that when it's stacked you should have approximately a stacked cord (128 cubic feet). There will be some variation depending on the size of the wood, split vs round etc., but it won't amount to a 25% difference.
  14. Jerry_NJ

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    I think most have some method that "justifies" their measurement, including the undefined "face cord". When they deliver 'face cords" it is always with the depth being well under 24", usually under 18" average. That gets one down to about 100 Cubic Feet, or 0.75 real cords. People in NJ usually do not inject the notion of a "face cord, still we end up about 25% short, count on it.
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    Your state will have a department of weights and measures. You can complain to them if you don't get satisfaction.
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    Most, if not all, of the guys I buy from do not collect sales tax, and I'll bed don't report, or under report income. Threating to call the State W&M;would at the least scare the he[[ out of them. But getting any response form the State is near to zero, unless you have a brick-and-mortar service in your cross-hairs. Edit [and the B&M;services charge $240 plus sales tax, or cost about the same as being shorted by the "independent" guys]
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    You can do this as a last resort if you don't want to ever buy wood in your area again. Word travels fast to all the wood jockeys about who does this.

    I had a run in with the DWM once about 10 years ago.
    The guy said I shorted him more than 50% and I wasn't buying his story so I said go ahead and call DWM. A week later I get a call then a couple hours later wife calls and says DWM is on my doorstep demanding cash for this guy. I said did you look in his cellar to see if he stacked any wood down there. He said no but I'll go check.Ended up this guy stacked wood in his basement then stacked wood over his basement window to hide the evidence. I had to refund him 2 facecords on a 10 facecord load. At least 1-1.5 facecords I believe were burned up in the 7-10 days it took to settle this B.S. and to top it off his check bounced.

    I called every wood dealer within 50 miles and gave them the guys name address and phone #.
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    There is two storys on both sides,even my friend would short me when he didnt fill like working that hard that day.Season wood whole another isue.I am glad i do it my self now and done with all the isues. You seem to stay on top of your bussness,if you where in my area i would feel good about it.
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    Wood vendors may or may not report their income but I will tell you that when I do my taxes there isn't a whole lot left to live off. It's not a highly profitable business.
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    And its a lot of work
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    funny many people get shorted due to wood length etc... there is a guy who uses a big bucket loader who does like 2 scoops you get a cord or more but then the mess that comes from it and he factors that in...but there is a logging company fully automatic and they measure log length and dia to plus what size you request to determine the cord......the only people i trust besides those 2 are guys who neatly stack the wood in a truck then dump you can see if his bed is 6ft wide and he stack it 4 ft tall you are getting a 1.5
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    Understood, I've done, and do, enough of my own wood gathering, cutting and splitting, to know it is a lot of work. It is so much work that even if I had access to free logs delivered to my work area, I'd not want to get into the business of selling. I never do more than one cord myself, and then I buy a cord, or two. That's all I need, I use wood to supplement heat, not provide 24/7 heating.

    I like the guy I purchased wood from this year. His method is two pickup loads, loaded with a FEL, and he will negotiate on how much wood that is. As I stated earlier I figure I'm paying about $220 per cord this year by his method. He agrees two pick-up loads isn't a cord, maybe 0.8 cord, closer to 0.7 cord in my measure. I gave his telephone number to my neighbor who also bought a two pick-up load delivery. I think he paid $170 for it.
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    From a glance at your pile it doesn't seem to be 2 cord to me. The members here have done an excellant job defining face cords...I really hate that term even though i can make the calculation rather quickly. Any full cord no matter what length should be equal to 128 cubic feet. If it is cut to 12" you need 4 face cords to make a full cord. If cut to 16" you need 3 face cords to make a full cord etc. $190 seems a cheap price to pay for dry to semi dry cord wood. Just make sure it measures out correctly and if not call your dealer. I paid $250 a cord for supposidly seasoned wood and it wasn't, but I stacked it and it came up short and i called my dealer and he made up the rest and was happy that i was happy. I just got a new moisture meter in the mail yesterday and haven't tried it on my fire wood yet. I did try it on some kindling I had hanging around and it read a steady 7%.
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    OK... Guys and Gals..... The wood is FINALLY Stacked!!! :cheese:

    Here are the final measurments:

    16'x5'x18"= 120
    8’x4’x18"= 48
    6'x5'x18"= 25

    Total of 193 cubic feet. That's 63 cubic feet short of two full cords. Now its time to call the wood guy to see if he'll be kind enough to make up the difference. If not, I'll just take it as a learning experience and find a different wood dealer.

    Here are some pictures of the stacked wood.

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    It's funny but to cheat a wood seller takes more effort than it is worth. Not that i would ever stoop so low. You'd have to haul some large amount of wood away and hide it somewhere. That's what i told my wood seller when he came to inspect the shortage. I said you are welcome to check my garage, cellar and house. I further told him that when i sell my integrity it will be for a lot more than a few pieces of wood.

    I think you will be OK
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