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Post in 'The Hearth Room - Wood Stoves and Fireplaces' started by begreen, Nov 30, 2006.

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  1. iceman

    iceman Minister of Fire

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    oh geez!!!!! you guys got me running around hopeless there is no dealer over here in mass for idaho logs i had to drive 1 1/2 hrs to get the prestos!!

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  2. NWfuel

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  3. Elderthewelder

    Elderthewelder Minister of Fire

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    N.W. Fuels. Aren't you in Edmonds? I would not mind getting some of those Idaho energy logs, dont know about a pallet, but would like to try some, I think the CO-OP in Everett, and the CO-Op in Marysville sells them, I am in Everett, But would swing down to Edmonds if you had the better price
  4. begreen

    begreen Mooderator Staff Member

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    I added a link to the MA distributer for the Home Fire Prest-Logs to the Wiki. It's at the bottom of the page. Thanks Virginia! Will do the same for the Idaho logs when I write up a review.
  5. DonCT

    DonCT Minister of Fire

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    Holy Jeeze!!!!!!! :bug:
  6. NWfuel

    NWfuel Minister of Fire

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    We do have them in north Edmonds also.

    Thomas
  7. Jersey Joe

    Jersey Joe New Member

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    Are there any decent brands in NJ? The ones referenced in this thread are not distributed near here. In Jersey you probably need a permit and pay some sort of extra tax ;)
  8. abdickins

    abdickins New Member

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    I read with much interest the posts about BioBricks and the presto logs. I recently added a 2nd stove in our house (1st is a wood/coal and I'm burning coal in that one). I had to trade our other coal stove to our son for his 1979 VC Resolute stove (no coal kit with it). I'm using it to heat approx. 1,100 sf.

    Anyway, I bought 10 packs of the BioBricks a few weeks ago, and 50 of the pressed logs yesterday. Without performing any kind of controlled experiment, here are my thoughts on the 2.

    BioBricks

    My price - $7 for a 40 lb. package - 20 bricks in a package, or $.35 each - $.175/lb.
    Their own web-site states that "BioBricks make for a cosy(sp) evening fire that can last for 6-8 hours per 40 lb pack." That's $21 - $28 per day - NOT cheaper than oil, propane, etc (which they also claim).

    My own experience using these was that 9 bricks (18 lbs.) put in the stove at 11:00 PM and I would have a "cold stove" by 6:00 AM. Outside temp was about 25 degrees - inside temp 15 feet away was down to 58 degrees. Putting all 20 bricks in at once would be difficult and dangerous (again, their own web-site states that you should NOT OVERFILL!)


    Home Fire Prest-Logs

    My price - $1.25 each for a 5.25 lb. log - $.24/lb.
    The claim is that these logs will burn 10 - 12 hours.

    My own experience yesterday/today - 2 logs (10.5 lbs.) into the stove at 11:30 - "warm stove" (sorry - gave my stove thermometer to my son and haven't replaced it yet) at 6:00 in the morning and the logs were still glowing and was able to get 2 more burning pretty easily. Outside temp - about 30 degrees - inside temp 15 feet from the stove was 65 degrees. I would estimate that 6 or 7 logs might last for a day, or $7.50 - $8.75 per day.


    The BioBricks do light fairly easily - I'll use up what I have left to help get the Prest-Logs going when necessary. The amount of ash seems to be considerably more with the BioBricks vs. the Prest-Logs, but nothing scientific - just an observation. The BioBricks tend to quickly "flake" and fall apart - the Prest-Logs hold their shape (and heat) much better.

    The seller of the Prest-Logs told me that BioBricks wanted him to carry their product - he said he would as long as it was comparable to the Prest-Logs. He said from his own experience that the ratio of BioBricks to Prest-Logs was about 4-to-1 for the same amount of heat/duration of burn. He's NOT carrying the BioBricks. My estimate is approx. 4-to-1 for weight. More importantly, it's about 3.5-to-1 for price.

    Speaking of price, some places are charging $9 for a pack of the BioBricks, but I've seen them for $6 if you buy a pallet. The Prest-Logs drop to $1.10 each if you buy a "Full" pallet - 380 logs.

    If you're using the BioBricks, you owe it to yourself to try the Prest-Logs.
  9. Jay H

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    I think I contacted via email the BioBrick folks and said that since there isn't a reseller in NJ, they would sell the biobricks to you direct from the mfgr them (in CT, I think). Of course, shipping is probably really expensive so I never really followed through..

    Jay
  10. BioPellet

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    Aren't you talking about Smart-Logs???

    First of all, you can pay $420 per pallet for Presto or $250 per pallet for BioBricks(tm) - getting the exact same BTUs in each case (uhhh? Duhh, what should I do??).

    Second of all -NO WAY- is a presto log worth 4 times more heat - complete poppycock! My bricks are around 1000 kg/m3 and the prestos are around 1100 kg/m3. Moisture content is alike. So based on this alone you might argue 10%. This ignors the fact that presto and other logs made like them are round or mostly round so that its hard to keep the surface area down of the pire.

    Next, this guy skims when he reads - I am talking about a fireplace fire when I say you get 6-8 hours of cozy fire. My BioBricks can be used for that but they excel in a wood stove or other modern combustion apparatus. The bricks are designed after brown coal bricks burned in EU for generations. Because they are made in one push of a slug of sawdust and come out rectangular you can pack them tight into a stove (like a brick wall) and they do not fall apart. The presto logs are made with a layering process and unfortunately this causes them to expand outward when they burn, thus giving up their gases too fast for the stove. I regularly get 12 hour burns with 20 bricks - see the data I publish on my site.

    I would suggest that the author rerun the test and plot the temp of the stove during each burn. Take a look at my web site for tips on how to burn. Be sure to start the test with the stove at similar temps. Also, it is somewhat important to have similar outdoor temps and wind conditions
  11. BrotherBart

    BrotherBart Hearth.com LLC Mid-Atlantic Division Staff Member

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    Biopellet the man did not say "Presto Logs". He said Home Fire Prest-Logs. Two different products.
  12. BioPellet

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    Here's an example of feedback I continually get on my product:

    Hello Bio-Brick guys and/or gals.
    I've just recently started burning the Bio-Brick vs. the seasoned hardwood I used to burn in my small wood stove. Everything you claim about them appears to be true. Not only do I not have to tend the stove every 2 hours or so, I can burn half a pallet before I have to remove the ashes. They start easy and my wife and daughter have no problems at all lighting them or keeping them going. Besides, there is no chain sawing, chopping, splitting, stacking, trudging and lugging in snow and cold, nor the various bugs, bark, ice and debris that gets tracked indoors. I've had days where the Bio-Bricks burning in my finished basement have kept the gas furnace from even coming on. All for about $5 a day!
    Now the problem. (You didn't think it was going to all be a bed of roses...?) Seriously, I have to drive 45 miles one way to get them and my small pickup can barely handle a pallet. It still is cheaper driving all the way from Schenectady NY to Johnstown NY and back than to pay the delivery fee the retailer wants to charge. How about marketing them at say Lowe's or Home Depot? Maybe their sales volume could also help in reducing my final cost.
    Also, do you have like a distributor network set up. Could I say for example get one for the Schenectady NY city/county area? Is there one already here I don't know about or a retailer that is maybe a bit closer?
    Finally, I'd like to say that for the slight cost increase vs. wood, the benefits far outweigh any price difference! It's been a pleasure to write this note, and I eagerly await your reply.
  13. begreen

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    They are very different products indeed. The Home Fire product is more analagous to burning a large characol briquette. No, they haven't added any coal dust to it and it's not as charred, but they burn like one. There is almost no ash and it's not an exageration to say that one will have coals 10-12 hrs. later. The current Presto Logs are more like a big version of the wood pellet made from compressed sawdust.

    I am having the pleasure of trying out and testing the Idaho Energy Logs now which are the original Pres-To-Log. They sold the name, but the logs are still manufactured on the original machinery made back in the 1930's. Thomas at NW Fuels generously donated a batch so that I can do a review for the forum. They are a different product than the Home Fire Prest-Logs, but very impressive in their own way. I hope to have the review posted in a few days.
    http://www.northidahoenergylogs.com/

    If someone wants to send me a batch of BioPellets I'll be glad to put them through the same tests and will report the results to the forum.
  14. Island-Doc

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    Last night I loaded up my fireplace insert (cold) with some kindling and 3 of the HFPL logs at about 6:30pm. I ended up having to add a bit more kindling wood to get the prestlogs going but in about an hour everything was nice and warm and they were burning happily.

    I was surprised when I woke up at about 8am to find that they were still putting out a decent amount of heat, each one was a bit over an inch in diameter and about 4-5 inches long.

    I don't heat much during the day so I just let it be.

    At 6:30pm today I was cleaning out the ash trey and reloading the firebox and I found about a dozen marble sized embers still glowing, over 24 hours after I first lit the fire. Just because I could, I managed to light the kindling from one of those embers and put in another 3 prest logs.

    I got them on sale back in October for $0.64 CDN (was about $0.58 USD back then) per log when I bought 2 pallets.

    I'm curious about the biobricks and there's a store here that sells them in 40 lb bags so I'll buy a bag and see how much heat they can give me for the same $2 that 3 prest-logs cost me.
  15. alfio

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    Hi gays , want to jump this conversation . I have tried the homefire logs they are very dense , but you cant fill the stove it would over heat they only recommend 3 to 4 at most . I burned a ton last year , in a quadra fire 3100i and could only but 3 at a time. Grate product but by the time get to n. h. there very pricey ruffly $ 400 a ton . Plus shipping , I get them from hearth wise from leominster Ma..
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    you mite be able to get the biobrics from canaticat pardon my spelling .
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    HI THE HEAT is from the high pressure , begreen.
  18. alfio

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    yes ,begreen, they do burn for 12 hrs. but by that time there is not much heat unless stoke more logs in . I burned a ton last year , went threw 6 to 8 logs a day . grate product but pricey . And they are different companies , home fire logs are from british colombia canada.
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    begreen Mooderator Staff Member

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    True, as stated in the wiki review, they are just glowing coals after 10-12 hrs, but glowing enough to get a fire started again. Hearthwise sells them under license from HomeFire in Canada. They are the same product.
  20. Island-Doc

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    I am a short drive (maybe 20 minutes max) from where they make the HF logs, I'm going to poke around a bit and see how low a price I can find for them. I've seen pretty widely varying prices between about $0.65 and $1.00 CDN

    Maybe I can get a good price from the factory on a dozen pallets or something, might even be cheaper than wood (roughly $225 a cord for Fir around here)
  21. begreen

    begreen Mooderator Staff Member

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    At this time of the year they sell off their non-standard logs, the ones that come out the wrong length. You might be able to work out a nice deal with them. The only problem is that they'll be loose. BYOSW.
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