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HR WP up and out DT install with custom lighted hearth!

Post in 'The Pellet Mill - Pellet and Multifuel Stoves' started by Don2222, Sep 22, 2012.

  1. Don2222

    Don2222 Minister of Fire

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    Hello

    Only took 6 hours to install my Hudson River West Point in my friend's livingroom. We used the Selkirk Direct Temp up and out kit with 4 feet of inside vertical rise and 3 feet thru a 2x6 wall. The 3" pellet vent on the back of the stove goes into the Selkirk stove adapter and then into a 3" to 4" increaser and then into the 4" standard T with cleanout. The DT venting starts above the cleanout T and that is where the 3" flex house for the Air Intake is connected. Made sure it was not near any windows. I must say even though it is high temperature venting for multi-fuel, the heated incoming burn air really stops ash from caking in the burn pot! Using a plumber's plate and the wall strap extensions really anchored the pipe to the wall! Stove pulls strait out for easy servicing! Also the 4" inside vertical will not build up with pellet ash to easily and provides a good draft so no wind will ever blow smoke into the room. I just like the fact that the DT venting is cool to the touch when burning! Great looking setup with the sand color tiles on a raised hearth with amber rope light under the overhang. Also The pipe can be painted all black with the hi temp black sating stove paint. The wall plate can be painted white to match the wall.

    Here is a link to a few pics. Just barely got all the stuff in the little wagon!
    http://24.34.84.89:8080/trhweb/trhproj.nsf/bdedfca988b2db3c85256207004f45a9/3747c5b5d854e1c785257a820007d1db?OpenDocument
    Install was done with no ladders! LOL

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  2. IHATEPROPANE

    IHATEPROPANE Minister of Fire

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    Looks good Don.....did you use the damper?
  3. Don2222

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    Yes, The damper I got from Amanda's fireplace is on the back of the stove and connected to the flex pipe. The heated incoming burn should help alot too!

    The 4" cleaning T had to be silicon and screwed to the 4" to 3" reducer and the same with the reducer to the stove adapter. Just to assure a tight seal and there is no need to pull them apart. All measurements had to be very exact. In my shed I have a couple of slip joint pellet pipe to adjust the height but no height adjustments can be made like that here!

    I do not know of any dealers around here that do Selkirk DT installs. There is only two hardware stores that carry the regular Selkirk venting!

    It is nice to only have one hole in the house too!
  4. IHATEPROPANE

    IHATEPROPANE Minister of Fire

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    I got one from them too...I am testing it out now ......I am able to burn on low very well and am getting higher temps!
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    Cool, that is good to know! How often do you fill that 130lb hopper when you burn on Low?
  6. IHATEPROPANE

    IHATEPROPANE Minister of Fire

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    Never really ran a lot on low before...I usually had it on 1.5...
    On that setting I am somewhere around 2.5lbs/hr with most pellets. I think for the most part the feed will be a little more than what the manual states. I would guess on low you would be somewhere around 2lbs/hr...generally speaking
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    That's good, so it should last around 2.5 days on a full hopper. That means filling the hopper only 3 times a week. That is really good for all that nice heat!
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    Yup! gets warm/hot behind the stove though.

    They sell factory painted black. Did they not have any available?

    Could you have gotten by with a shorter horizontal? Looks like it is sticking pretty far out away from the house. Also, maybe it's just the angles of the pictures or my eye, but the horizontal section looks like it is sloped the wrong way.
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    I offered to paint it black because we saved money by not getting the black. They gave us the black 90 for the cheaper price because all they had was black for that piece! I got Two 2' pieces and One 3' section not knowing the setup. The interior vertical rise must be a min of 3' so I could have used that for the interior. However most installations are 5' on the vertical rise. Since I was going thru 2x6 studding we decided to go above the min requirement with the 4' rise and with the extension bracket on the wall the 3' piece made sense to go thru the wall. It may be a little overkill with the way we were above code but I feel that going on the safer route is way better especially since the wood shingles were 15 years old and very dry and brittle. Also trying to keep the hot smoke away from the motion sensor flood lamps that work by sensing heat! The pipe is straight just the angle of the pic
    This pipe will last min of 25 years so it will last a long time.

    Also the hearth does not block the baseboard heat. The hearth is raised for safety so her dog will not get too close. The ac cord and the LED rope light cord is tucked neatly behind the hearth in the corner so it looks and works better!
  10. imacman

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    Don, that outlet "nozzle" is approved for a horizontal termination? Aren't you a little concerned about a strong wind blowing right back into the pipe? I think I would have put at least a 45 degree downturn in it, or or a different cap with a cover over it.....just my 2 cents.
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    The nozzle is certainly approved for horizontal. I personally think if you were to add a 45 elbow to direct the nozzle down that you sould have significant buildup in the nozzle portion. I love mine. I like that it entrains exterior air which helps a lot to "push" the exhaust away from the building.
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    I doubt that very much.
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    That's good about the Intake Air pushing the exhaust away from the house, I hope it keeps it away from the motion sensor for the flood light also. LOL

    Do u have any pics of yours? I would like to see?
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    I wouldn't want that particular nozzle assembly pointed down. It would allow snow/water to enter the air intake.
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    Good point! It is made to be straight.
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    I have my nozzle off still but here are inside and outside pics

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    Thanks Very nice! Looks like it is easy to keep clean! Did u bolt the cap on with self tappers?

    Do u have a pic of the back of the stove? How high are your inside vertical sections?
  18. DexterDay

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    That nozzle creates a venturi effect and helps to push the air.. IIRC.
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    Looks good don, But the vent outlet over the roof(hot sparks on the roof) might get some a bit nervous.
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    Yes, you are right Dexter. When I fired up the stove, I saw the smoke really squirting out. That helps to push the smoke away from the shingles. A really good design! I like it. I wish I could use it for my stove but my stove goes into the original center house chimney.
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    That was another reason I did not go straight out. That would be too low to the roof! Different things makes us nervous, that is why we have the NFI codes. So if you see X in the diagram below, the clearance should be minimum 36" above the roof. So the cap where the smoke comes out is easily 5' from the roof and the very top of the roof under the 5' high window is still 3' below where the venting comes out of the house! Also the min distance out from the shingles is 12". This easily beats that too! Thanks for being tough on this, because I really had to be thinking about all of these clearances during the install which I did.

    I told my friend about getting it inspected and if she does there will be No problems!

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    Didn't say it wasn't to spec, But if someone saw sparks(we get this every year) hitting the roof. O'boy!

    Sparks in the bush should ring a bell! ==c
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    Agree, That is why I never do straight out venting. With an interior vertical rise greater than the min 3', I never see sparks.
    Being above code is the best way to go.
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    Hey that vent is at least 36" above the closest high point of that roof.

    Shouldn't be any lit ash hitting those shingles.

    The combustion blower may send a few twinkles out the vent and agitate any nearby slick plants however.

    Besides, I'm told there is a nice mahogany spark bucket available.
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    I couldn't remeber the name! ;)

    Carl's latest invention? ::-)

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