The local hardware store has a nice power equipment section with a good service department and I have spent a lot of money there over the years. I stopped there on the way home from work today to look at their Husqvarna saws. I guy I know who works for a local landscaper was there, so I asked what they use. Shindaiwa. I bought a Shindaiwa trimmer a couple of years ago, but didn't know they made saws. This guy has an older 488 18" and cuts 10 cords a year with no complaints. So does his brother. His has a 20" bar. So now I am likely to buy a 490 Shindaiwa. I asked the store owner what the difference was between it and the 450, 460 Husqvarnas I was looking at. The answer was plastic case vs metal. The 490 is a pro series and has a metal crankcase. He also said that they have had a couple of Husqvarna landowner series come back. Also a large local tree company runs Shindaiwas. The price was $425, the same as the 450 Husqvarna. The display saw has an 18" Oregon bar and chain.