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Post in 'The Hearth Room - Wood Stoves and Fireplaces' started by jotulburner, Mar 19, 2014.

  1. jotulburner

    jotulburner Member

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    Well seems like we move every 2 years. We have done it again. Previous homes have been pretty straight forward when fixing previous owners bad installs. All I needed was a new hearth pad in one, and in the other I needed to rebuild stove and put in new gaskets. This new house has me a little baffled. Not sure how to proceed. I will show some pics and hope the knowledgeable members of this group can give me some advice.
    The home is a saltbox with large central chimney. Fire place in living room and master bedroom above. As you can see from pictures the current owner has carpet right up to the lip of each Fire place. That will be fixed to proper clearances. My Big problem is the wood stove insert in the living room. and the positioning of the whole thing. The Stove is called an All Nighter and looks like it has been there since the late 70's. I don't think they have burned more than 2 fires in it since install. It is in perfect condition. I would love to keep it but probably not reasonable due to clearances. It is only about 14 inches from stair case I 'm not sure if I can have a wood stove there at all or if I can put some kind of heat shield up. Any Ideas???

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  2. begreen

    begreen Mooderator Staff Member

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    Fireplace in bedroom? Do they have any code in Maine? :p

    Your concern is justified. I don't know the clearances. If unlisted I think it will be 36". In this case a side shield and maybe a mantel shield wouldn't be a bad idea. Or install an insert that qualifies to be safely installed there. Is the insert connected to a liner?
  3. jotulburner

    jotulburner Member

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    Yes it is lined but not sure of all specifics have a chimney inspector coming over too look at house as part of general building inspection early next week. I will pick his brain while I have him there just trying to focus now so I ask the right questions.
  4. Grisu

    Grisu Minister of Fire

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    Just took a look at the PE Summit insert. It has an 8" side clearance requirement. Thus, you will probably be able to put an insert in there. Given the small space I would suggest that anyway compared with a hearth-mounted stove unless you can fully recess it into the fireplace.

    Btw. I would not put any wood-burning appliance into a bedroom.
  5. jotulburner

    jotulburner Member

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    Well never had a bedroom fireplace in a home before. So not sure Maine code. But Many Colonial era homes have them in every bed room. This however is a Saltbox reproduction built in 1979 to look like Colonial era home. I have had hotel rooms with fire places before and they drove me right out of the room. Wife and I are thinking about gas insert in that one if its on its own flue.
  6. jotulburner

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    Thanks we were thinking of wood insert in the living room and gas in bed room. House comes with large shop in garage may just move the all nighter out there and see how it burns.
  7. HotCoals

    HotCoals Minister of Fire

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    Maybe in Maine..a no no in NY anyways.
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    yooperdave Minister of Fire

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    Are any of these installs "grandfathered"?
    If you remove any existing installs, will you even be able to replace them? (Such as the bedroom).
    Maybe your chimney inspector knows these answers.
  9. CaptSpiff

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    Are you renting the home or are you the owner?
  10. jotulburner

    jotulburner Member

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    had offer excepted building inspection still needs to be done after closing then will be owner.
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    mellow Resident Stove Connoisseur

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    Guessing that is a free standing all nighter with the legs cut off, probably has black single wall pipe up the chimney. I would factor in replacing the whole thing and moving that stove out to the garage if that is an OK install in Maine. Vented Gas would be the only thing I would put in the bedroom with a CO/smoke alarm close by.

    If you like Jotul it looks like you could probably fit a c450 in that fireplace.
  12. jotulburner

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    No real experience with the c450 or any inserts for that matter By I loved my old # 3 Jotul wood stove. And would cosidere theC450
  13. jotulburner

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    Well after a little research it seems wood stove in shop a no go (NFPA 211) states

    12.2.3 Solid fuel-burning appliances shall not be installed in
    any location where gasoline or any other flammable vapors or
    gases are present.
    12.2.4 Solid fuel-burning appliances shall not be installed in
    any garage.
    I could probably put it in my garage but I think It would be impossible to insure it.
  14. begreen

    begreen Mooderator Staff Member

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    Check with your local inspecting authority. Not every state subscribes to this or they may have exceptions like a detached garage, etc..
  15. Grisu

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    That looks like an interior fireplace where an insert works as well (if not better) as a stove, IMHO. Put a block-off plate in and you will have a stove with a huge thermal mass around it - better than any soapstone stove. Just don't expect quick heat when you have let the insert go cold. Since you will have plenty of time before the next winter take your time with your decision what insert to put in. Jotuls are good but there are plenty others that work just as well. Are you moving your firewood, too? ;)
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    begreen is absolutely right nfpa-211 and the irc is not universally accepted I know pa does not use either in their entirety we generally do work to meet them but some parts are not actually required.
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    Anyplace where gas or flammables are I would not want a stove..might just be me though.
  18. Mellery

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    We have a hearth warmer and I looked into this for my own curiosity! It was way ahead of it's time in the 70's. You might enjoy looking at the links I found

    http://www.hearth.com/talk/wiki/all-nighter-stove-co/

    http://www.wood-stove.org/all-nighter-wood-stove.html

    ^^ Says They have a pretty big following and even used units can go for near $1000 dollars or more used. They had an advanced airtight system which was pretty high-tech for the time

    I found one for sale on Ebay for $899

    And begreen was right - 36" clearance

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