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elkimmeg
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Here is a Video of the plant tour where the Harman oakwood is cast and enamaled
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3397773981046662187
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3397773981046662187
Gooserider said:One note on Harman - it is probably less of an issue with a wood stove than with other products, but note the many threads here where people have had difficulties with Harman - they do ALL their support through the dealer, and many Harman dealers will ONLY support the stuff that their shop personally has sold - IOW if your dealer goes away, or you move, you may be SOL if you need service...
Other outfits may also want you to go through the dealer as primary contact, but will give some backup if you can't. Harman is notorious for refusing all service to non-dealers, and does not encourage dealers to support stuff other than what they themselves have sold...
Gooserider
elkimmeg said:The Encore everburn stove,the Harman oak wood, and Lopi Leyden, all share the same back secondary combustion technology as the Everburn
Harman call its version the Fire dome
elkimmeg said:Corie Leave Alfio alone he is talking out his rear end and has no clue Lopi Harman and Vc do not own the pattern the licence the technology. I too would like to see the patern he found that would be interesting.
Alfio you are so far out your league here. VC in Vermont Cast the Harman Oakwood and do the enamaling Thats right VC manufactures the Oakwood using the same materials same workers same mold and pouring machines Do you think VC makes the harman parts any better they they cast their own.
Alfio you know that harman pellet stove you own gues who holds tha pattern right to the bottom feed VC does that pellet stove uses Vermont Casting Technology Since you are so good at finding patent then it will be real easy to confirn VC has the Harman bottom feed system
Titan said:I've seen a white Harman Oakwood on a brochure someplace; I'd assume that wasn't whitewash?
elkimmeg said:Corie Leave Alfio alone he is talking out his rear end and has no clue Lopi Harman and Vc do not own the pattern the licence the technology. I too would like to see the patern he found that would be interesting.
Alfio you are so far out your league here. VC in Vermont Cast the Harman Oakwood and do the enamaling Thats right VC manufactures the Oakwood using the same materials same workers same mold and pouring machines Do you think VC makes the harman parts any better they they cast their own.
Alfio you know that harman pellet stove you own gues who holds tha pattern right to the bottom feed VC does that pellet stove uses Vermont Casting Technology Since you are so good at finding patent then it will be real easy to confirn VC has the Harman bottom feed system
Corie said:alfio, without looking I think you're citing the Harman patent on the technology that was used for the Harman CW30, not the current firedome. Of course that's me guessing. I'll read up on what you've posted later.
elkimmeg said:Neither harman or Vc own that technology they both have licenced it from a third party and 1995 parerns have nothing to do with the 2005 harman oakwood.
Harman has subcontracted all enamaling process done at Vermont castings whether it be for pelet stoves or wood burners all enamaling is done at VC Contractually they had an agreement 5.6 years ago. As for the bottom feed patterns the Head of Engineering told Goose and I this during the plant tour Which VC licences to Harman . Harman aslo entered into agreement With VC to provide their castings.
I have seen their molds at the plant. Unless you can provide substantiated information, I stand pat to what I have seen and been told By VC. Goose was a standing beside me when VC informed us they hold the bottom feed paterns that Harman uses.
GVA said:Alfio who are you Really???????
Corie said:I'll take a wild guess that the third party is probably Ferguson & Andors.
Corie said:Dane Harman would be the primary owner of the patent. Ferguson & Andors develop stove technology for outside companies and charge a fee for their services. They then patent the idea but give the original company ownership of the patent, generally. They are two of the best hearth engineers in the industry for certain and offer a service that almost no one else provides. They also both happen to be pretty nice guys and certainly ooze intelligence. You almost can't absorb it all when you're speaking to them.
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