+1 & I believe its worth it.....my $.02I went through 1 layer of brick and 1 layer of concrete block using a hammer drill with a 4" round bit. Didn't take long but it wasn't solid concrete either.
+1 & I believe its worth it.....my $.02I went through 1 layer of brick and 1 layer of concrete block using a hammer drill with a 4" round bit. Didn't take long but it wasn't solid concrete either.
I guess also...than how many stoves have the capability to except OAK's and why or why not some manufactor's don't put them on there. To me there's still an issue with intake if you have to have the kit. If a stove rely's on such a small amount of intake...or exhaust and a fan comes on and puts the fire out???
There in lies my point...I'm sure a few of you have had different stoves thruout the years....same flue. I just recently replaced my PE with a Jotul. Guess what...the Jotul doesn't run away like the PE.(higher temps) So...the stoves different. My house didn't change...my flue didn't change...so it had to be intake(or the exhaust) on the stove. If a person were to fix that...which maybe we legally can't...than I don't think a person has to mess with an OAK?That's because the fan coming on may have changed the draft on the stove, not the amount of oxygen in the room. The flue is the engine of the stove. If it is not pulling strongly enough the fire will be weaker. The fire won't necessarily go out, but there may be poor secondary burning and when the door is opened, smoke spillage.
I realize you can measure the draft of the stove...but there is no instrument that can measure the effect if any on the house itself.
...(many of us would love to have your Santa Rosa CA heating bills).... Rick
While it may be warmer there in winter months, it is not really cheaper. Oregon has far cheaper electric rates than California does (8-12 cents a KWhr PGE here vs 13-29 cents a KWhr for PG&E there). If you are hooked up for it, NG is about the same in both places now, but the service fees and taxes are more there. Also when I lived in the SFbay area and NG was deregulated, my NG heating bills were in the hundreds per month! It was a disaster. Comparing burning wood in Ukiah (not far north of Santa Rosa) and here (just west of Mt Hood), I burn about the same (3-4 cords a year). Cord of firewood here is about $200 vs $300 there, and there is no sales tax here. Also houses here are far more insulated than thay are in CA.
Of course I live on the west side of the Cascades from you for making these comparisons, and it is warner here in winter... but it is also a lot wetter.
Do you have one begreen?It depends on the stove. Some have a special adapter that sells for $50-60, but others take a standard 3" sheetmetal take-off + an elbow. Usually the whole installation will fall under $100-120.
Can I ask a stupid And probably late question? On an average...how much are these OAK's??
Can I ask a stupid And probably late question? On an average...how much are these OAK's??
Typically they are sold than by the manufactorers of the stove or are they aftermarket?
I ran my stove all last winter, and it worked great. But i would love to put a OAK in if it would work better. But i understand now that its not a easy yes or no. I feel that i am going to put one in because it would be pretty easy to do in my setup. All i have to do is drill through a block wall and im done. Then if i dont like it i guess im out a little money. Thanks everybody for the input.
I imagine they meant CO detectors (carbon monoxide) were working. Otherwise, it would sound more like CO poisoning. If it really is O2 depletion, that's pretty severe. It typically would take less than 15% O2 to cause that kind of symptom at rest (a lot of variables there) [OSHA]. And that's about where the fire would go out also. Mild symptoms can actually start at 19.5% which OSHA considers to be oxygen deficient. It may also have been increased CO2 levels with that many people in a small, tight house. Still, a good reason for OAK.There was a story of a family in Salt lake last winter had all the family over x-mas, super tight house with lots of people + cold snap and wood stove, anyways luckily neighbor stoped by to find the family asleep at the diner table, fire marshall said all the CO2 detectors worked but it was O2 depletion, my closest neighbour is over a mile away, dont think ill count on him strolling by.
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