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Posted By cogger,
Oct 27, 2008 at 6:18 PM
you don't want to hear anything, it's your way or the highway you must be a joy to live with
Wow, what a logical answer. When did I ever write I did not want to hear or read anything else?
And just who should set those limits? I think all of you folks who heat your houses warmer than 50 are wasting fuel. Your pipes won't freeze at 50. You won't get frost on the carpet at 50. People for thousands of years lived in 50 degree caves. So, why waste all those pellets (wood, oil, propane, natural gas, corn, etc) heating to 60 or even 70? Heck, even Europeans keep their homes cooler - "room temperature" for red wine is 62 degrees. Get real. We need hard limits preventing the wasting of fuel keeping houses overly warm.
While we're at it I think we need to limit gasoline purchases - too many people wasting gas on too many trips. Why can't everyone shop for groceries once a month at Sam's Club? Why do you need to go to the store every week?
And, kids - people are having way too many kids. We need to have limits on the number of kids. Probably should have a test too so only smart people are allowed to have kids.
So many things to regulate, so little time
Gasoline shortage has nothing to do with pellet hoarding, I am writng about pellet fuel supplies, not gasoline. So fill up! The gas crunch has been over for 30 years
Get what yo need for the heating season while staying comfortable. I am not calling for any regulation. 50f ?? BRRRR. Hypothermia signs can set in below 60f, I refuse to freeze my a$$ off in my own home. I'm cheap, but not that cheap.
Maybe up in NE
The point is panic times cause panic buying.
For those that bought in the spring they just did what they have always done, buying the leftover supply from dealers at a reduced price.
Just for clarification I understand what you are saying, but I don't think anyone in their right mind would buy pellets more than a year out they do absorb some moisture from the humidity in the air.
I've seen a couple here on hearth that have over 5 tons but the majority are 4-5 ton which seems to be the seasons worth in New England.
Pellets are like the wii, each store only has 20 and it's first come first serve.....
You're missing the point. You think there's a proper and acceptable amount of pellets someone "should" buy. You want to set tonnage limits (presumably to match the amounts you think are proper). The point is, what you find acceptable isn't what other people will. You won't freeze at 50 and you can get hypothermic at 70 in the right conditions. Billions of people have (and do) live in colder temps than you find necessary to keep yourself comfortable. Why should your definition be any better than someone who wants to heat their house to 80 and burn 10 tons of pellets doing that? Why should you be allowed to burn 3 tons keeping your house 68 when I think you should get by on 1 ton keeping it 50?
The bottomline is our country was founded on your right to seek your way in the world - not a guarantee that you would find it. You have no more right to tell me or anyone else how many pellets I should be allowed than I have to tell you. You are entitled to as many as you can afford, as am I.
Huh, socialism comes to pellet purchasing. Perhaps the government could distribute some of the [pellet] wealth of all of the pellet pigs to the less fortunate that come behind them. Then we can all have one ton apiece.
Whilst listening to a talk radio program today, I heard a quote that I had forgotten: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need (or needs)" - it is a slogan popularized by Karl Marx in his 1875 Critique of the Gotha Program. The phrase summarizes the principles that, under a communist system, every person should contribute to society to the best of their ability and consume from society in proportion to their needs, regardless of how much they have contributed. In the Marxist view, such an arrangement will be made possible by the abundance of goods and services that a developed communist society will produce; the idea is that there will be enough to satisfy everyone's needs.
Everyone knows how well communism works... DOWN with communist pellets.
Free market rules.
Not an official member of the pellet pig club, but aspiring to be.
--- 4+ tons stacked neatly by hand in the garage
--- 1 pellet stove (Glow Boy 120)
--- Gas guzzling van
--- Run the cars in the morning just to warm them up
--- Run the stove if my inside thermometer dips below 67
--- Throw lit cigarettes out of my car window on the interstate
Hopefully, this makes me bad-a** enough to be in the pellet pig club even though I only have the one stove
While I understand what you are saying Ring I think you are preaching to the wrong group. I don't know anyone here who has enough pellets to get them through more than one winter with, maybe, a little left over. Certainly no one with years worth. Most people simply don't have the space to stockpile several seasons worth of pellets so I can't really see massive hoarding as becoming a big issue. What you will see here is a bunch of us who are proud, and more than a little relieved, to have been smart enough to stockpile enough to get us through the entire season with no fear of running out.
I've ranted in the past about people buying up fuel pellets to use as stall bedding which makes it hard to find any pellets for heat. It still irks me to no end but the simple truth around here is that if people didn't buy them for bedding that there wouldn't be any stores that sold them. Since pellet stoves are almost unheard of in this state I wouldn't be able to find fuel pellets at all if it weren't for those people who want to save a few bucks by using fuel pellets instead of bedding pellets in their stalls. So, should I love 'em or hate 'em? :-S
How are fuel pellets cheaper than bedding pellets? I would have assumed that bedding pellets were cheaper, since they don't have to be "premium" as far as ash content, etc.
I agree with Ring on this part:
The point is the thought of converting more and more folks over to biomass for heating and rid our dependence from foreign oil
But the quota and rationing is a bit over the top. Like Peggy says, it seem people want to have enough to make it through the winter, and maybe have a little left over. From what I have read on these forums is that a lot of the reason people buy so much early is fear of being like some of the members here who seem to get the run around from pellet sellers, like taking money and not delivering.
I read a post where someone said that it would be better for everyone if people just purchased pellets as needed, i.e. a ton at a time when you get low, and that would be the best for the producers as well. I spoke to a large pellet producer a few weeks ago and ask them if that was their feeling as well. They said no, they would rather have everyone order in the spring. The problem they are having in filling their orders this year is that the numbers their retailers ordered ( I am sure this is because of the massive increase in stove sales) far exceeded their expectations. What I gathered, at least from this producer is that next spring the low price pre-buy will be limited to only their better retailers instead of all their retailers, unless they have a large stock pile going into spring, so they can offer more on time deliveries and better customer service. They are not taking any more orders this year until they get caught up with the orders placed in the spring.
I don't see people here, who have enough for the winter, and living in an area where there is none available, rushing out to buy some for next year when an occasional supply pops up. I am sure in these areas the retailers are going to want a premium for them, and most will wait till spring for next years supply at a good price.
Excellent question, Kilarney! I've been trying to figure that one out myself! At our local TSC fuel pellets sell for around $4.89 a bag while bedding pellets, depending on the brand, sell for between $5 to $7. Other than the fact that bedding pellets intended for use in horse stalls can't contain black walnut sawdust I don't know why the bedding pellets would be higher. I see that some bedding companies claim that the dust content in their pellets is less than fuel pellets so maybe that's the difference. All I know is that we have to compete with horse owners to get pellets. The people at the local store were very nice about it this year. When I explained to them that I needed the pellets for heat they went out of their way to see that I got first chance at any fuel pellets they received. I still have a ton on order that hasn't come in yet though.
WHAT IS THIS NONSENSE ? I'M WORRIED ABOUT YOU RINGOFFIRE
The pellet shortages are becuz manufacturers are having difficulty keeping
up demand due to the record numbers of newbies purchasing stoves and pellets
this year, NOT becuz there may be one here and there "hoarding" pellets.
Exactly what Tink said!
Here's my answer from experience. I purchased 2 seasons worth of pellets back in April/May. I did it based on the news of the upcoming volatility. Yes people, the news came out back in the Spring that there were going to be pellet shortages this year. That was your 'Q' to get with it. If you decided to wait and see then you took a chance and you LOST. I purchased what I anticipated to be 2 seasons worth because I can now relax and keep my finances in check knowing exactly what my heating costs will be for this year and next. If pellet prices take a nose dive next year then so be it. I took a chance at the price I paid just like you did when you decided to wait until now. It really is no different than prebuying propane, oil, natural gas or anything else for that matter. You're taking a chance and only time will tell if you made the right decision.
Not to mention.....LOTS are going to europe.....can someone find any percentages that are being sent out of the country??
I tried to purchase pellets from a major home improvement company, only to be told that the loads had not come in yet. I called back about an hour later and was told that all the pellets had been sold!
I looked on craigslist that same day when I got home from work and noticed that the same pelllets were being sold for $50.00 to $100.00 per ton more then the price being advertised by the company.
Well don't buy them.........