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Post in 'The Pellet Mill - Pellet and Multifuel Stoves' started by mtalea, Jan 6, 2006.

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  1. Homefire

    Homefire New Member

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    If your pm 3000 Titan was designed for rice coal the gold lable under the hopper cover will so state.
    If that lable is missing then you will need to post photos of your fire box clinker ring and a photo of the
    stoker control panel in the back of the stove.

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  2. bfraymond

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    Is your model rated for rice coal?



    I don't know too much about rice coal, other than it is coal, and I would fathom to goes rather small. How does it burn, cost, is it dirty to burn. I just bought 4 tons of pellets over the summer so I am good for this winter but would like to know more.

    Brent
  3. Homefire

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    If you have a good supplier of pellets or corn then use them.
    Coal has 1 + 2/3 the btu's of wood or corn but you have to clean the stove more often and
    empty the ash pan everyday to keep it from overflowing.

    I burn corn + pellets mixed at about 50/ 50 but the stove burn almost anything that will fit through the auger.
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    I think I saw a thread on this, but let me ask you anyway. Sometimes after I shut the stove off. The fire will eventually die out, yet it seems to smolder back up the auger to the hopper. The pellets are usaully charred and the hopper is hot and filled with smoke. The seal on the doors and the hopper gasket seem to be in good shape. Is there any other way air could get in there, or any reason you can think of that this would be doing this. Like I have said I have only run the stove a handful of times, so I am still trying to get my arms around how it performs/operates. You and Ron have been very helpful. I appreciate your input.

    Brent
  5. hearthtools

    hearthtools Moderator Emeritus

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    For coal you would need the coal burn pot
    this pot is taller than the original and has more air
    the photos in the link about are the original.
    and before you ask No I do not have any of the coal kits.
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    Thanks. Do you have any of the coal kits? ;)
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    Tell me if this sounds right, I light the stove at 10a.m, it burned until roughly 4 in the a.m. the next day. It was burning on low the entire time. Someone once told me the 40 lb. bag would be all day. I know this is close to a full day, I am just curious if this sounds about right.

    Brent
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    If you took the time to research on google or Hearthtools website you could find most all of the information you are seeking.


    4 Auger Feed times for stoves made after 1-1-94 times may very
    High               17 Sec on /  3 sec off  4.75 pounds per hour
    Med              12 sec on /  8 sec off  2.5 pounds per hour
    Low                8 sec on  /  12 sec off  2.5 pounds per hour
    Keep fire mode 4 sec on / 16 sec off    .8 pounds per hours
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    If you took the time to research on google or Hearthtools website you could find most all of the information you are seeking.


    4 Auger Feed times for stoves made after 1-1-94 times may very
    High               17 Sec on /  3 sec off  4.75 pounds per hour
    Med              12 sec on /  8 sec off  2.5 pounds per hour
    Low                8 sec on  /  12 sec off  2.5 pounds per hour
    Keep fire mode 4 sec on / 16 sec off    .8 pounds per hours[/quote]

    I found that information. Thanks though. Which makes no sense anyways....12 secs on is going to burn at the same rate as 8 seconds on.

    I guess I was looking for actual rates or times, not the numbers they give you. Sorry to burden you.
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    I need to replace the rope gasket on the door to the burn pot. I have the rope. This is the first time I have had to do it...anything I should know?

    Thanks
    Brent
  11. hearthtools

    hearthtools Moderator Emeritus

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    Most of this info is on our hepl page http://www.hearthtools.com/pellet/service_tips_and_trouble_shootin.htm


    First
    Do you have a minimum of 8 feet of vertical rise in your pipe?

    Is your pipe and and horizontal run Clear of Ash or BIRDS?

    Is the door and ash pan door sealing tight?

    They only reason you will have smoke in the hopper is the above reasons or if there was an air leak in the hopper.

    Or your combustin blower is weak.

    Sorry I cant help you any more.
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    hearthtools Moderator Emeritus

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    My website had a typo for the feed rate
    the Low seting is 2.25 pounds
  13. mtalea

    mtalea Feeling the Heat

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    Hey Rod do you sell the ash pan door gasket for the pelletmaster 3000 titan? also i sent ya anoth private msg
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    hearthtools Moderator Emeritus

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    I think that is just a 3/8 or 1/2 rope gasket
    you can get it localy.
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    mtalea Feeling the Heat

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    ok thanks Rod.will get that.. did u receive my private msg regarding my pipe config?
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    That makes a liitle more sense. What a big difference in heat out put from low to medium and only a quater pound difference.
    Thanks for the update.

    Brent
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    If you use a thermostat you will use less pellets.
    IF you are using a Stat RUN THE STOVE ON HIGH
    This will keep the stove, Glass and Less build up of clinkers in the burn pot.
    Reason.
    The stove will run HOT and burn off the crap. then when the thermostat calls for NO heat.
    it will run on low. This high low cycle is much better that a LOW cycle all the time for it will burn off the stove and you will have less build up in the stove and pipe.

    If you run the stove on low the stove will never get hot enough to burn off off.
    and with a stat as you can see there is not much differnce in Idel mode that low.

    The average home will use 40# in 24 hours but not unusual to use more with colder homes.
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    On the pellet master the MORE pipe the better. You can never have too much. 95% of smoke in hopper or smoke in home from pellet master stoves is from people being to cheep to put the amount of pipe they need or to much horizontal run.
    Each EXTRA (the first out of the stove is a FREEBIE) 90 deg or T will take off 5 feet of your vertical run. so If I say you need a minum of 8 feet of vertical run you have to add 5 feet for each 90 deg turn you have in your vent system.

    Because it is a positive combustion system it needs draft. Unlike Bottom fed systems that have a Negitive draft system that forces (sucks) the Combustion gases out through the venting.

    Also as you know when you shut the stove off there is NO blower to force the Smoke from the stove out so the Draft from the pipe has to do this job.
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    That 3 feet of horizantal run is hurting your draft also.
    Be sure you have 1/4 rise per foot or at least 3/4 of an inch in that 3 foot run.
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    Brent[/quote]

    If you use a thermostat you will use less pellets.
    IF you are using a Stat RUN THE STOVE ON HIGH
    This will keep the stove, Glass and Less build up of clinkers in the burn pot.
    Reason.
    The stove will run HOT and burn off the crap. then when the thermostat calls for NO heat.
    it will run on low. This high low cycle is much better that a LOW cycle all the time for it will burn off the stove and you will have less build up in the stove and pipe.

    If you run the stove on low the stove will never get hot enough to burn off off.
    and with a stat as you can see there is not much differnce in Idel mode that low.

    The average home will use 40# in 24 hours but not unusual to use more with colder homes.[/quote]

    Thanks for the info. This raises many more questions for me.I have never had the stove shut off becuase it has reached a temperture. I am not runnng a thermostat on it as of yet. I have noted in early post regarding feed rates, that you have mentioned a KEEP setting. I don't think that I have this option. I basically run it on low most of the time, I am in upstate NY and it hasn't gotten to cold yet. This will heat the entire house over a 16 hour period, 70 both upstairs and down. 16 hours is about how long it takes for the 40 pound bag to run out. Do you think I should be getting more time out of a bag? The times I have turned it to MED or HIGH it does put off nice hot heat. Seeing this is the first year I am heating with pellets, I want to make sure I have enough for the season and not waste bags when it is not that cold. I bought 4 ton during the summertime.

    I know that was a lot of rambling but any insight on the KEEP setting would be helpful. Thanks again, I am just a rook, so this info help.

    Brent
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    If you use a thermostat you will use less pellets.
    IF you are using a Stat RUN THE STOVE ON HIGH
    This will keep the stove, Glass and Less build up of clinkers in the burn pot.
    Reason.
    The stove will run HOT and burn off the crap. then when the thermostat calls for NO heat.
    it will run on low. This high low cycle is much better that a LOW cycle all the time for it will burn off the stove and you will have less build up in the stove and pipe.

    If you run the stove on low the stove will never get hot enough to burn off off.
    and with a stat as you can see there is not much differnce in Idel mode that low.

    The average home will use 40# in 24 hours but not unusual to use more with colder homes.
    [/quote]
    THE KEEP FIRE IS THE THERMOSTAT MODE THAT IS NOT CALLING FOR HEAT (room temp at 70 deg and the stat set for 65 Deg.

    When the Thermostate connection has a closed (calling for heat) circuit (demand mode) it runs at the feed rate you have it set at.

    When the Thermostat connection is an OPEN (calling for NO HEAT) circuit (KEEP FIRE MODE or I call it idel mode) the stove will run at less than 1 # per hour no matter what you have the feed rate setting at.

    THE THERMOSTAT WILL NOT SHUT THE STOVE OFF. If it did you would have to light the stove again because the stove does not have an automatic ignitor.

    Sounds like you will use about 150 bags a year.
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    [/quote]

    THE KEEP FIRE IS THE THERMOSTAT MODE THAT IS NOT CALLING FOR HEAT (room temp at 70 deg and the stat set for 65 Deg.

    When the Thermostate connection has a closed (calling for heat) circuit (demand mode) it runs at the feed rate you have it set at.

    When the Thermostat connection is an OPEN (calling for NO HEAT) circuit (KEEP FIRE MODE or I call it idel mode) the stove will run at less than 1 # per hour no matter what you have the feed rate setting at.

    THE THERMOSTAT WILL NOT SHUT THE STOVE OFF. If it did you would have to light the stove again because the stove does not have an automatic ignitor.

    Sounds like you will use about 150 bags a year.[/quote]

    Ok. I hope I am not beating a dead horse here, but I don't think I have the keep option. The stove was used and all of the settings on the side are worn off. Do you by chance have a digital pick of the settings, so I can see what you are talking about. I guess I am a little lost. Maybe I just don't have it.

    Brent
  23. mtalea

    mtalea Feeling the Heat

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    Thanks Rod. I just bought the ash pan door gasket and I will be installing that in a few minutes.I kinda thought that the 3' of horizontal wasn't very good but needed that much to get out the wall past my soffit /roof over hang.I will try the extra pipe I ordered and next year I guess I will have to go straight up thru the ceiling thru the roof...kinda waiting til I reroofed my house so I can flash it properly.

    Any other insights you have is welcomed and appreciated

    Thanks as always
    Matt
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    THE KEEP FIRE IS THE THERMOSTAT MODE THAT IS NOT CALLING FOR HEAT (room temp at 70 deg and the stat set for 65 Deg.

    When the Thermostate connection has a closed (calling for heat) circuit (demand mode) it runs at the feed rate you have it set at.

    When the Thermostat connection is an OPEN (calling for NO HEAT) circuit (KEEP FIRE MODE or I call it idel mode) the stove will run at less than 1 # per hour no matter what you have the feed rate setting at.

    THE THERMOSTAT WILL NOT SHUT THE STOVE OFF. If it did you would have to light the stove again because the stove does not have an automatic ignitor.

    Sounds like you will use about 150 bags a year.[/quote]

    Ok. I hope I am not beating a dead horse here, but I don't think I have the keep option. The stove was used and all of the settings on the side are worn off. Do you by chance have a digital pick of the settings, so I can see what you are talking about. I guess I am a little lost. Maybe I just don't have it.

    Brent[/quote]

    aaahhh.. you are still cornfused.
    there are a set of low voltage wires coming out of the back bottom of the stove.
    they come off the control board and loop through the stove overheat switch.
    Gray sheilded and two wires Red and black or white and black. depends on the wire used.

    if you stove is runiing at the differnt settings then the two wires are wirenutted together.
    if they were not then the stove will only work in the keep fire mode.

    The thermostat is connected to the two wires coming off the back of the stove
    and open cercuit (keep fire) is when the two wires are NOT connected together = an open cercuit
    and the stove will feed at the keep fire rate.

    when the two wires are together that = and closed cercuit and it will feed at what you have the stove set at
    High, Med or Low.

    A thermostat is basicly a switch that OPENS an CLOSES the cercuit at the set tempature. ither by a set of points that open and close, Electonicly if it is a battery operated digital thermostat or by a mercury switch.

    This is the best I can do to explain this.
    and a lot more the manual or any other book will tell you.
    most of this is on my help page just above the auger times.
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    with more pipe will help
    and make sure you have a rise in that 3 foot horizantal run.
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