Progress Hybrid cat question / smoke smell

  • Active since 1995, Hearth.com is THE place on the internet for free information and advice about wood stoves, pellet stoves and other energy saving equipment.

    We strive to provide opinions, articles, discussions and history related to Hearth Products and in a more general sense, energy issues.

    We promote the EFFICIENT, RESPONSIBLE, CLEAN and SAFE use of all fuels, whether renewable or fossil.
Thanks, Tony.

Another thing I can do is to check the cat before emptying the firebox. I always do it after, so fly ash may gett pulled up by the open air supply while I am emptying the box. If it is clear before I ampty, then I'll check it again after I empty the ashes. I am not aware of an ash problem while emptying, certainly don't get it in the room. But maybe I do stir up a lot that go up the chimney.

rideau

Don't you bypass the cat when emptying the box? I'm not sure what you are saying here. You should bypass when stirring the ashes. I think the best think you can do is try raking the coals after each fire and eliminate as much ash possible for a week or so. See if the clogging is eliminated. Seems machria does this using the ash pan and has a really clean cat. Looks like 24/7 burning is done for the next week/year in North East MA.
 
rideau

Don't you bypass the cat when emptying the box? I'm not sure what you are saying here. You should bypass when stirring the ashes. I think the best think you can do is try raking the coals after each fire and eliminate as much ash possible for a week or so. See if the clogging is eliminated. Seems machria does this using the ash pan and has a really clean cat. Looks like 24/7 burning is done for the next week/year in North East MA.

Yes. Tony, you're right. Someone picked up on this before. I was being stupid, it is bypassed then. It's just general fly ash blowing around with the strong draft when the stove is operating in cold weather, I expect. And, I could indeed try that. Have thought of it. But I'm going to try the damper first, because that's not acceptable to me as a lonmg term was to deal with a problem. I want to fix the problem, which I really am convinced is my draft.
 
Couple questions for other PH owners- How often are you cleaning your cat? Last night I noticed more smoke smell (not from reloading) and noticed the flames were really dying after closing the bypass... a sure sign the cat is getting plugged with fly ash. It's only been a month or less since I last cleaned it and it was plugged then from a short last season (installed stove last Feb) I do have the new screen set up and I clean that everytime I remove ash from the stove. Also I rarely see stove top temps 400f or over- is that normal or are these signs the cat is not working correctly? I don't see smoke from the chimney but the cat also likes the stall easily, I must maintain 400F flue temps or it will stall and I will see smoke. The cat in the fireview has never plugged up this easily or quickly. The wood is not an issue - split and dryed for at least 3 years, pulled from a covered wood shed. The cat is the original shipped with the stove, but only about a year old now.

Smoke smell (not a reloading/door open issue)- I've replaced the door gasket several times, and it seems better everytime I do it but it does not last - either the gasket relaxes or it's coming from somewhere else and I just think it's better after replacing the gasket. A partially plugged screen or cat makes it much worse so I will be checking those everytime I clean out the ash from the firebox. Woodstock suggested keeping more flame in the box and not to shut the stove all the way down (no flame). I've been following this recommendation and while it does help I've had several times the smell was present and there was plenty of flame in the box. Looking for suggestions here, maybe need to plug some roll pins as mentioned in another thread?
Just a thought, could the catalyst not have the correct amount of platinum, and such metals on it. I could see this causing such problems.
 
I just went out to check..in sweatshirt and a light pair of garden gloves since I was just going to take a quick look at the chimney. Artan (Wheaten) slipped out with me and thought we were going for a walk, so we did...down the road, where I picked up a couple of 3 inch branches I had pulled to the side of the road, and carted them home. OMG! It's cold out there. My fingers are freezing.

My flue temp is 540, my stovetop on the cast next to the verticle exit is 330, and I DO have some smoke coming out of the chimney. Good fire going in the box too, now 45 minutes into the burn, which doesn't happen with a regular start up. The fire is relaly active now, glass clean, etc. Am going to pop outside (without Artan!) and see what the chimney is doing.

I'm a softie. We went for another walk...upsides, I had on polartec lined wool mittens and got a few more branches into the yard before our expected snowfall...Downside, there is still smoke coming out the chimney...but: maybe it is steam? It is 14 out, wind out of the north (feels colder!), and the stuff coming out of the chimney is completely gone before it reaches the front of the roof...I'd guess gone in about ten feet. If I stand under the eve I can't tell it is "smoking". Stovetop temp is 390, flue is 580, glass is clear, constant but slow wispy flames arising from coal bed area...coals bright red, bottom of lowest split red, no activity at the secondary air holes....a good burn, but not a cool flue. I think it is steam I am seeing. Will see if it is gone in a few minutes, when most moisture should be out of the wood.

Have noticed steam a few times in the past during the early part of the burn, when conditions are just right (or wrong) outside. Today cold (14), wind out of the north, and quite humid air...we are about to get a snowstorm.
I seen were a guy, was using lava rocks, in replacement of catalytic elements. Seen his videos on youtube, it worked for waht I could see.
 
Just a thought, could the catalyst not have the correct amount of platinum, and such metals on it. I could see this causing such problems.
Hi alex, its not the cat itself plugging up inside of it, it is the build up of what looks like fly ash on the face of the cells, surface caping the cells off to restrict flow, brushes off like powder super easy with no sticking to the cat. Sorta like a air filter with a dirty surface and clean vains.
 
I seen were a guy, was using lava rocks, in replacement of catalytic elements. Seen his videos on youtube, it worked for waht I could see.

Hmm... better call WS and suggest they get right on it, I'm sure they will :)
 
The door frame is attached to the steel firebox, so the seam you are seeing is probably between those two things. I'll be taking it apart next week, so I'll try to take some pictures. But if you look at the door frame, you will see two threaded holes under the hinge. I think that there are bolts threaded into those holes from the inside. So, I theorize you take the door off, remove those bolts from the inside, and swing the frame out toward you. The side opposite the hinge looks like it has a lip under the front corner. I'm not sure if the stone above the door frame is held in place by the door frame itself. Anyway, I think there is some sort of seal under the door frame, but according to Lorin, some stoves have come back to Woodstock with staining under that soapstone piece above the door frame. And the stoves came back because of the smell. Sooo, the seal under the door frame must not be working for those of us with the door side smell. They are sending me something called Res-Bond to try. I guess they've been testing it and are impressed with it.

Josh

Any update? Did it work? Did you try it?
 
Any update? Did it work? Did you try it?

No, I'm sorry to say, it didn't. And I'm starting to get frustrated, and I think Woodstock is getting frustrated with me.

To recap, I have a smell on the door side. At this point I honestly don't know if it's coming from the cooktop or the door. I still suspect the door. I have done Binko's gasket job, and have re-gasketed the door a couple of other times too. I'm probably going to do it one last time tonight.

This smell is like a fume, if that makes sense. I can smell it when the stove gets up to temp, but it takes a day to become noticeable in the house. But once it does, I get a headache, my eyes can burn a little.... that's why I say it's like a fume smell. I often will air out the house and then warm it back up with the stove, only to do it again a day or two later. The stove has run a lot, and I ran it hot for a couple hours thinking it was the paint curing. Didn't help.

Woodstock replaced my first cooktop because it was warped pretty bad. Thought that would fix the problem. Nope. I have also:

1.) Re-gasketed the cooktop twice. Replace the cooktop once.
2.) Re-gasketed the door four times now I think
3.) took the door frame off and res-bonded it per instructions from WS.
4.) I used stove cement to attach gasket to try and fill that triangle void in the door frame.
5.) Filled the roll pins under the top with cement and confirmed with an inspection camera
6.) Cleaned and inspected the flue a couple of times
7.) stuffed gasket material all around the cooktop to see if the smell was coming from there
8.) stuffed gasket material in the door frame channels to add an extra layer of gasket to the door
9.) Bugged the hell out of Lorin at WS.

All these have been done incrementally. I've also thrown all sorts of different variables at the stove. Open windows/closed windows. OAK on/off. chimney cap on/off. I have shut any and all fans/exhausts/etc off many times and most times.

My CAT doesn't get hardly anything on it. I have a 20' insulated liner on an exterior chimney. I also have an OAK and an ash pan.

I'm honestly on my last nerve with the smell. Being inside the 6 month return period, it will go back if I can't find a solution. I do not want to send it back.... I love how it heats. But, I also can't have this smell. I wish WS would just send me a whole new stove, but with my luck, it would do the same thing.

My house is tight, I will admit that. That's why I have the OAK. The stove is also in a room with cathedral ceilings. I don't know if that plays into this. But I can't change my house.

It seems no matter what I do, I can't win. Lorin at Woodstock has been great, but she is out of ideas too. And I think she's sick of dealing with the problem. And I know it's hard for them to try to diagnose a problem like this, especially not knowing me or my skill set. It's probably easy to think I'm a moron and can't do anything right, and that's why there is still this smell. They don't know that I have been running student rental properties for 20 years, can fix most anything electrical, plumbing, or structural. I built my own house, remodeled countless others. I'm pretty handy. WS just can't understand that smell comes out. Hot stoves are supposed to suck air IN right?

Sorry, I'm venting. This has just sorta' consumed my thoughts lately. Sitting and staring at the stove, trying to image what the heck could cause this, has become a nightly routine.
 
No, I'm sorry to say, it didn't. And I'm starting to get frustrated, and I think Woodstock is getting frustrated with me.

To recap, I have a smell on the door side. At this point I honestly don't know if it's coming from the cooktop or the door. I still suspect the door. I have done Binko's gasket job, and have re-gasketed the door a couple of other times too. I'm probably going to do it one last time tonight.

This smell is like a fume, if that makes sense. I can smell it when the stove gets up to temp, but it takes a day to become noticeable in the house. But once it does, I get a headache, my eyes can burn a little.... that's why I say it's like a fume smell. I often will air out the house and then warm it back up with the stove, only to do it again a day or two later. The stove has run a lot, and I ran it hot for a couple hours thinking it was the paint curing. Didn't help.

Woodstock replaced my first cooktop because it was warped pretty bad. Thought that would fix the problem. Nope. I have also:

1.) Re-gasketed the cooktop twice. Replace the cooktop once.
2.) Re-gasketed the door four times now I think
3.) took the door frame off and res-bonded it per instructions from WS.
4.) I used stove cement to attach gasket to try and fill that triangle void in the door frame.
5.) Filled the roll pins under the top with cement and confirmed with an inspection camera
6.) Cleaned and inspected the flue a couple of times
7.) stuffed gasket material all around the cooktop to see if the smell was coming from there
8.) stuffed gasket material in the door frame channels to add an extra layer of gasket to the door
9.) Bugged the hell out of Lorin at WS.

All these have been done incrementally. I've also thrown all sorts of different variables at the stove. Open windows/closed windows. OAK on/off. chimney cap on/off. I have shut any and all fans/exhausts/etc off many times and most times.

My CAT doesn't get hardly anything on it. I have a 20' insulated liner on an exterior chimney. I also have an OAK and an ash pan.

I'm honestly on my last nerve with the smell. Being inside the 6 month return period, it will go back if I can't find a solution. I do not want to send it back.... I love how it heats. But, I also can't have this smell. I wish WS would just send me a whole new stove, but with my luck, it would do the same thing.

My house is tight, I will admit that. That's why I have the OAK. The stove is also in a room with cathedral ceilings. I don't know if that plays into this. But I can't change my house.

It seems no matter what I do, I can't win. Lorin at Woodstock has been great, but she is out of ideas too. And I think she's sick of dealing with the problem. And I know it's hard for them to try to diagnose a problem like this, especially not knowing me or my skill set. It's probably easy to think I'm a moron and can't do anything right, and that's why there is still this smell. They don't know that I have been running student rental properties for 20 years, can fix most anything electrical, plumbing, or structural. I built my own house, remodeled countless others. I'm pretty handy. WS just can't understand that smell comes out. Hot stoves are supposed to suck air IN right?

Sorry, I'm venting. This has just sorta' consumed my thoughts lately. Sitting and staring at the stove, trying to image what the heck could cause this, has become a nightly routine.
Could there be a piece of plastic or something of that nature stuck behind a stone during assembly of the stove , maybe used during the shipping of stones to keep them from chipping.. Maybe something became impregnated into the soapstone, a chemical spilled and dried itself into the stone? Then it slowly off gases as the pores of the stone get hot? Sounds like you've been all over the stove with new gaskets... Just trying to think outside the book.. I feel bad that your going through something like that...hope you can get that resolved...
 
hmmmmmm..... interesting.

Let me describe what I am seeing/smelling, tell me if you have the same:

When a fire is hot and going, I do not smell a fire or wood burning smell at all in my house (excluding the few minutes after opening the door to re-load....). BUT, if I put my nose and sniff above and around the stove, I will smell a strong wood buring smell (NOT a smoke smell, it's that distinct wood burning smell), but I will ONLY smell it on the right back corner of the stove (I have right side door) just above the back corner of the door. The close to the stove I put my nose, the stronger it is, an I mean 1" from the stove off that back corner. If I put my nose just aboe the top vent/flue, I smell nothing. Anywhere else on the stove, nothing. But that top back corner above the door it is very strong.

It's definitely leaking somewhere right around that top corner of the door. I'd swear it has something to do with that small triangle part coverd on the inside of the door. I see a bit of creosote built up on the inside of the door opposite of where that triangle is on the inside. The gasket around the door looks a bit more "browned" at that spot than the rest of the area's as well. However, the "browned" area on the gasket does NOT go all the way thru the gasket. In otherwords, there is a line in the middle of the gasket (where it seals against the door frame) where the browning stops, and the rest of the gasket is bright white(gray) as if it were brand new. So it doesn't "look" like smoke is passing there. But I still think that is where the problem is, something to do with that little triangle area on the top back inside of the door. Maybe there is a vacume being created in that little spot behind the door and triangle or something....?


I can't figure out what you mean by "Roll Pins"? Where are these and what are they?
 
I installed an extra piece of gasket to seal up the area that others were noticing creosote build up. Easy to install and it seems to seal but sorry to say it has not affected the smoke smell. :-(
 

Attachments

  • DSC03339.JPG
    DSC03339.JPG
    158.4 KB · Views: 236
I have to say your description of the smell and your experience pretty much mirror mine except I do get the cat build up and the smell gets worse as the build up increases. The cat build up I can deal with but I have to agree that the smell is quite irritating and at times I want to reinstall my old fireview.





No, I'm sorry to say, it didn't. And I'm starting to get frustrated, and I think Woodstock is getting frustrated with me.

To recap, I have a smell on the door side. At this point I honestly don't know if it's coming from the cooktop or the door. I still suspect the door. I have done Binko's gasket job, and have re-gasketed the door a couple of other times too. I'm probably going to do it one last time tonight.

This smell is like a fume, if that makes sense. I can smell it when the stove gets up to temp, but it takes a day to become noticeable in the house. But once it does, I get a headache, my eyes can burn a little.... that's why I say it's like a fume smell. I often will air out the house and then warm it back up with the stove, only to do it again a day or two later. The stove has run a lot, and I ran it hot for a couple hours thinking it was the paint curing. Didn't help.

Woodstock replaced my first cooktop because it was warped pretty bad. Thought that would fix the problem. Nope. I have also:

1.) Re-gasketed the cooktop twice. Replace the cooktop once.
2.) Re-gasketed the door four times now I think
3.) took the door frame off and res-bonded it per instructions from WS.
4.) I used stove cement to attach gasket to try and fill that triangle void in the door frame.
5.) Filled the roll pins under the top with cement and confirmed with an inspection camera
6.) Cleaned and inspected the flue a couple of times
7.) stuffed gasket material all around the cooktop to see if the smell was coming from there
8.) stuffed gasket material in the door frame channels to add an extra layer of gasket to the door
9.) Bugged the hell out of Lorin at WS.

All these have been done incrementally. I've also thrown all sorts of different variables at the stove. Open windows/closed windows. OAK on/off. chimney cap on/off. I have shut any and all fans/exhausts/etc off many times and most times.

My CAT doesn't get hardly anything on it. I have a 20' insulated liner on an exterior chimney. I also have an OAK and an ash pan.

I'm honestly on my last nerve with the smell. Being inside the 6 month return period, it will go back if I can't find a solution. I do not want to send it back.... I love how it heats. But, I also can't have this smell. I wish WS would just send me a whole new stove, but with my luck, it would do the same thing.

My house is tight, I will admit that. That's why I have the OAK. The stove is also in a room with cathedral ceilings. I don't know if that plays into this. But I can't change my house.

It seems no matter what I do, I can't win. Lorin at Woodstock has been great, but she is out of ideas too. And I think she's sick of dealing with the problem. And I know it's hard for them to try to diagnose a problem like this, especially not knowing me or my skill set. It's probably easy to think I'm a moron and can't do anything right, and that's why there is still this smell. They don't know that I have been running student rental properties for 20 years, can fix most anything electrical, plumbing, or structural. I built my own house, remodeled countless others. I'm pretty handy. WS just can't understand that smell comes out. Hot stoves are supposed to suck air IN right?

Sorry, I'm venting. This has just sorta' consumed my thoughts lately. Sitting and staring at the stove, trying to image what the heck could cause this, has become a nightly routine.
 
I installed an extra piece of gasket to seal up the area that others were noticing creosote build up. Easy to install and it seems to seal but sorry to say it has not affected the smoke smell. :-(
I'm very interested to see what you finally figure out. .Absolutely something is going on there , especially that more then one stove is exhibiting the exact same issue,, smell coming from the same upper corner..
 
Drat! I was really hoping that would cure the smoke smell (the res-bonding thing). I have it in exactly the same place and Machria describes it very well. It does get worse when my cat needs cleaning, which makes me wonder if that would indicate that its coming from the cat chamber. But, now that I think on it, as the cat plugs, the smoke exit from the stove chamber slows, right? Not from the cat chamber. Can't remember how the air flows through now. It is frustrating, I keep hoping someone will figure it out :(
 
Could there be a piece of plastic or something of that nature stuck behind a stone during assembly of the stove , maybe used during the shipping of stones to keep them from chipping.. Maybe something became impregnated into the soapstone, a chemical spilled and dried itself into the stone? Then it slowly off gases as the pores of the stone get hot? Sounds like you've been all over the stove with new gaskets... Just trying to think outside the book.. I feel bad that your going through something like that...hope you can get that resolved...

Thanks.
 
hmmmmmm..... interesting.

Let me describe what I am seeing/smelling, tell me if you have the same:

When a fire is hot and going, I do not smell a fire or wood burning smell at all in my house (excluding the few minutes after opening the door to re-load....). BUT, if I put my nose and sniff above and around the stove, I will smell a strong wood buring smell (NOT a smoke smell, it's that distinct wood burning smell), but I will ONLY smell it on the right back corner of the stove (I have right side door) just above the back corner of the door. The close to the stove I put my nose, the stronger it is, an I mean 1" from the stove off that back corner. If I put my nose just aboe the top vent/flue, I smell nothing. Anywhere else on the stove, nothing. But that top back corner above the door it is very strong.

It's definitely leaking somewhere right around that top corner of the door. I'd swear it has something to do with that small triangle part coverd on the inside of the door. I see a bit of creosote built up on the inside of the door opposite of where that triangle is on the inside. The gasket around the door looks a bit more "browned" at that spot than the rest of the area's as well. However, the "browned" area on the gasket does NOT go all the way thru the gasket. In otherwords, there is a line in the middle of the gasket (where it seals against the door frame) where the browning stops, and the rest of the gasket is bright white(gray) as if it were brand new. So it doesn't "look" like smoke is passing there. But I still think that is where the problem is, something to do with that little triangle area on the top back inside of the door. Maybe there is a vacume being created in that little spot behind the door and triangle or something....?


I can't figure out what you mean by "Roll Pins"? Where are these and what are they?

I do feel like the smell is stronger the further back I go towards the corner on the door side.

As for the roll pins, try this.

https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/overfire.102759/page-2#post-1343032
 
I installed an extra piece of gasket to seal up the area that others were noticing creosote build up. Easy to install and it seems to seal but sorry to say it has not affected the smoke smell. :-(

I did this same thing, although maybe not as pretty. Didn't work either.
 
Sounds like smoke over plastic or something on the stones,,, as per everyone having the same issue.. What a shame because that's such a nice stove.. Hope you guys can figure it out...
 
Josh,

I don't have a smoke smell, so the following is speculation, not anything I can check.

In the early stage of the fire, I would expect smoke to get trapped in that space by the door behind the triangle, but only for a short time before draft is well established. Since that corner is not subjected to the direct heat of the fire, the smoke that deposits on the door there doesn't get burned off. I think that is what is going on there, as opposed to creosote forming because cold air is coming into the stove there. In other words, I don't think it is something to worry about. If that corner of the door smells like creosote, then you could clean it off. It might help with a smell issue, if the stuff there smells as the stove is heated, but doesn't get hot enough to burn off.

Looked again at the picture of your door. The gasket in the upper corner looks clean to me, which makes me doubt much smoke is escaping there. However, it appears that there is a portion of the channel that is not gasketed, and it appears as if part of the gasket there is thicker than another portion. Also appears as if the body of the stove at that corner, and perhaps the tip of the door, have a slight browning of the cast, indicating some smoke exposure. That may just be an artifact from shadow on the photo, and not a true finding. Is the gasket joint in that corner? If so, or if any of the above is so, then maybe try installing the next gasket with the joint at a bottom corner, or in the center of the bottom, cutting the gasket just a tad long and scrunching it in? Or even splicing the gasket into a circle, if you can measure it well enough?

If that door is well gasketed, it just doesn't make any sense that smoke, or even a wood fire smell could come out during burning. It's not any different from other stove doors, or from the Fireview door. People with the problem seem pretty sure the smell is coming from the door corner itself, and not from a stove seam somewhere, and leaking out through soapstone near there? Has anyone tried lighting a candle and holding the flame near that corner at various times during a burn to see if there is any movement of the flame?

Josh, the smoke smell seems to be more of a physical well being problem for you than for most others. Did you burn a wood stove before the PH? Asking to be sure you don't have a hypersensitivity to wood burning. Not a soluntion to the problem, but perhaps a mitigation of the problem, might be the use of an air purifier to get rid of the smell?

There is an air space between the soapstone and the griddle. Perhaps you could put an extra, loose (not cemented)gasket in that space on the right side, just to see if it makes any difference. Would not expect it to, but anything is worth a try.

Again on the theory that anything is worth a try, try removing the smoke shield over the door, in case it is doing the opposite of what it is designed to do, and actually keeping smoke that gets by the door early from circulating back into the stove. You can always put it back, if removing makes things worse.

If I think of any other crazy stuff to try, I'll post.

Good luck. Would hate to see you have to send the stove back. Am sure you fundamentally like the stove as much as I do. Otherwise you wouldn't have stuck with it so long.
 
We really enjoy our Progress. Perhaps I am one of the lucky ones who was easily able to solve the smoke problem.
The bottom line is that although the Woodstock folks are great to work with (I agree that they are) the stove has to function as represented.
Having a continuous smoke smell in the house is absolutely a "NO GO" in my opinion. First of all it's unpleasant and secondly it's unhealthy.
If you're going to inhale smoke constantly, than you might as well live in the most polluted city. I feel for all of you and hope that you find a solution.
 
  • Like
Reactions: charly
A stupid question? Could wood moisture content be an issue with the wood smoke smell? Perhaps cooling the gases creating that smoke smell.. In other words wood that is not ideally seasoned? Binko since you have no issues, are you burning really well seasoned wood?
 
Josh,

I don't have a smoke smell, so the following is speculation, not anything I can check.

In the early stage of the fire, I would expect smoke to get trapped in that space by the door behind the triangle, but only for a short time before draft is well established. Since that corner is not subjected to the direct heat of the fire, the smoke that deposits on the door there doesn't get burned off. I think that is what is going on there, as opposed to creosote forming because cold air is coming into the stove there. In other words, I don't think it is something to worry about. If that corner of the door smells like creosote, then you could clean it off. It might help with a smell issue, if the stuff there smells as the stove is heated, but doesn't get hot enough to burn off.

Looked again at the picture of your door. The gasket in the upper corner looks clean to me, which makes me doubt much smoke is escaping there. However, it appears that there is a portion of the channel that is not gasketed, and it appears as if part of the gasket there is thicker than another portion. Also appears as if the body of the stove at that corner, and perhaps the tip of the door, have a slight browning of the cast, indicating some smoke exposure. That may just be an artifact from shadow on the photo, and not a true finding. Is the gasket joint in that corner? If so, or if any of the above is so, then maybe try installing the next gasket with the joint at a bottom corner, or in the center of the bottom, cutting the gasket just a tad long and scrunching it in? Or even splicing the gasket into a circle, if you can measure it well enough?

If that door is well gasketed, it just doesn't make any sense that smoke, or even a wood fire smell could come out during burning. It's not any different from other stove doors, or from the Fireview door. People with the problem seem pretty sure the smell is coming from the door corner itself, and not from a stove seam somewhere, and leaking out through soapstone near there? Has anyone tried lighting a candle and holding the flame near that corner at various times during a burn to see if there is any movement of the flame?

Josh, the smoke smell seems to be more of a physical well being problem for you than for most others. Did you burn a wood stove before the PH? Asking to be sure you don't have a hypersensitivity to wood burning. Not a soluntion to the problem, but perhaps a mitigation of the problem, might be the use of an air purifier to get rid of the smell?

There is an air space between the soapstone and the griddle. Perhaps you could put an extra, loose (not cemented)gasket in that space on the right side, just to see if it makes any difference. Would not expect it to, but anything is worth a try.

Again on the theory that anything is worth a try, try removing the smoke shield over the door, in case it is doing the opposite of what it is designed to do, and actually keeping smoke that gets by the door early from circulating back into the stove. You can always put it back, if removing makes things worse.

If I think of any other crazy stuff to try, I'll post.

Good luck. Would hate to see you have to send the stove back. Am sure you fundamentally like the stove as much as I do. Otherwise you wouldn't have stuck with it so long.

That picture was taken before the "binko" gasket job. This smell has persisted after multiple gasket jobs.

This is my first time with a stove, but I've been around wood smoke all my life. This $3k stove shouldn't put out any smoke or smell anyway.

The smoke shield is out. Took it out a week or so ago to see if that would help. I've also stuffed gasket material around the cooktop. Nothing has helped.

I bought an air purifier early on. Didn't help.