1. Welcome Hearth.com Guests and Visitors - Please enjoy our forums!
    Hearth.com GOLD Sponsors who help bring the site content to you:
    Hearthstone Soapstone and Cast-Iron stoves( Wood, Gas or Pellet Stoves and Inserts)
    Caluwe - Passion for Fire and Water ( Pellet and Wood Hydronic and Space Heating)

Shed Experts - See what the Don's special custom channel under the Rake Boards is for!!!

Post in 'DIY and General non-hearth advice' started by Don2222, Aug 18, 2011.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Don2222

    Don2222 Minister of Fire

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2010
    Messages:
    6,839
    Loc:
    Salem NH
    Hello

    A friend and I are building a shed, which I have never done before. The building code for this part of town is no more than 100 sqft max. So 10x10 it is! The 6x6s in the pic below are just edge trimming.

    I do have 3/4 inch stones under the blocks down 2 ft and I will have stones around the edge for the drip edge.

    Two Questions?

    Is there a good reason to cover the ground under the shed with 3/4" stones?

    Is it better to have the shed on 2 blocks so it will be higher and more air will flow under it?


    See pic below. Click to enlarge:

    Attached Files:

    Helpful Sponsor Ads!





  2. smokinj

    smokinj Minister of Fire

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2008
    Messages:
    15,969
    Loc:
    Anderson, Indiana
    If there is a floor i would not do stones. And yes you want air flow under there.
  3. Don2222

    Don2222 Minister of Fire

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2010
    Messages:
    6,839
    Loc:
    Salem NH
    Hi smokinjay

    Yes, there will be a plywood floor. Why no stones?
  4. smokinj

    smokinj Minister of Fire

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2008
    Messages:
    15,969
    Loc:
    Anderson, Indiana
    You got block so its up off the ground. Unless the drainage is very poor it will be fine with out gravel under there. Now if you want to make it prettier?
  5. Don2222

    Don2222 Minister of Fire

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2010
    Messages:
    6,839
    Loc:
    Salem NH
    Hello

    Thanks for explaining, the drainage is ok there, but I do not want any mold in the shed.
  6. smokinj

    smokinj Minister of Fire

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2008
    Messages:
    15,969
    Loc:
    Anderson, Indiana
    Air flow you will not but,...Doesnt hurt to over build! ;-)
  7. fishingpol

    fishingpol Minister of Fire

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2010
    Messages:
    2,052
    Loc:
    Merrimack Valley, MA
    My dad just had a new shed put in. He put down a roll of fencing laid flat with 3/4" crushed stone. Woodchucks will not be living under his shed with that in place. His joist are pressure treated, so it is close to the ground. His 30 year old shed he took down was regular pine floor joists, no rot. It was dry as a bone under there. one or two patio blocks will be fine. Stone and some wire barrier would be worth it.
  8. firefighterjake

    firefighterjake Minister of Fire

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2008
    Messages:
    14,859
    Loc:
    Unity/Bangor, Maine
    Not a shed expert . . . but I do have a shed.

    Like others have said . . . if the drainage is good, there is no need for extra stone underneath.

    One patio block should be fine . . . as long as it is up off the ground and allows some air flow.
  9. billb3

    billb3 Minister of Fire

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2007
    Messages:
    3,467
    Loc:
    SE Mass
    you might want stones for a base for the blocks on top of soil, you might want stones if your shed had to be on skids and not up on blocks.


    I've seen people excavate topsoil and fill with stone only to end up with the stones sitting in a pond every time it rained.

    Two blocks would allow you to get under it and maybe even store hoses and pipes and things
    requires a longer ramp to get into though with wheeled things
  10. fishingpol

    fishingpol Minister of Fire

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2010
    Messages:
    2,052
    Loc:
    Merrimack Valley, MA
    The gravel my dad used were for discouraging woodchucks and skunks for burrowing, not for drainage.
  11. velvetfoot

    velvetfoot Minister of Fire

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2005
    Messages:
    6,317
    Loc:
    Sand Lake, NY
    I saw these concrete deck pads, or whatever they called at the HD.
    They have an opening for a 4x4.
  12. Danno77

    Danno77 Minister of Fire

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2008
    Messages:
    4,758
    Loc:
    Hamilton, IL
    What about that soil cement thing that Goose did for his shed? That sounded like a cool idea as a shed base.
  13. jimbom

    jimbom Combustion Analyzer

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2010
    Messages:
    1,022
    Loc:
    Missouri Ozarks
    Soil cement has a place and can be useful. I have soil cemented airfield shoulders, road bases, hard stands, and light airplane landing strips. I know your idea is not a big fancy engineered project. However, please take a few minutes to determine from an internet search if you really want to do this. The right kind of soil, moisture, foundation material, mix proportion, and compaction is needed if you don't want to waste your time and money. YMMV

    One of the best documents out thirty years ago on soil cement was something the army corps of engineers published. I don't remember what is was, but probably a tech manual or something. I am not up on their system, but it is probably on line somewhere. In any case, it was practical and useful.

    My intent is not to be a wet blanket or anything. But sometimes I can't stifle myself. Just to let you know, we have a long gravel lane to our house. It is a pia, but I have never once considered soil cement for my own place.
  14. Don2222

    Don2222 Minister of Fire

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2010
    Messages:
    6,839
    Loc:
    Salem NH
    Hello

    Thanks for all the great info! Like the stones for the woodchucks, my neighbor has one under his shed that he cannot get rid of!

    Just picked up a white vinyl double glazed window with a screen that is 30" x 40" at the Habitat Homes ReStore in Lawrence for $30 smackarous! Is that a good price for that size window for New construction with the nailing flange?

    See pics below
    1st pic - Inside
    2nd pic - Outside

    Attached Files:

  15. smokinj

    smokinj Minister of Fire

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2008
    Messages:
    15,969
    Loc:
    Anderson, Indiana
    Thats an Awesome price...I am getting 4 for free but they are the old wooden ones.
  16. fishingpol

    fishingpol Minister of Fire

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2010
    Messages:
    2,052
    Loc:
    Merrimack Valley, MA
    Yes $30 is a good price. I did not know that place existed. I'm looking to replace my basement door. I may be checking that place out. Thanks for the info.
  17. Danno77

    Danno77 Minister of Fire

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2008
    Messages:
    4,758
    Loc:
    Hamilton, IL
    I would't pay 10 bucks for a vinyl window. Find a nice free wooden in the dumpster from some jokester who is molesting an old home. That 100 year old window will outlast your shed, but a vinyl one will start to fail in 5 years (if it's cheap) or 15 (if it's not).
  18. Don2222

    Don2222 Minister of Fire

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2010
    Messages:
    6,839
    Loc:
    Salem NH
    Hello

    Now I am leveling the shed blocks with a water Level. See pic

    Just tamp in some stakes and mark a reference point on each stake that is the same height. Water seeks its own level!
    Then measure down the same distance on each stake to the cement block and add stones underneath to adjust! Whala each block is now the same height!

    In example I found the heighest block, then went down 7.5 inches from the mark on the stake for each block!! See yellow arrows.

    Amazing, I did not realize how the ground slopes a tad! The water level is true!

    Attached Files:

  19. Don2222

    Don2222 Minister of Fire

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2010
    Messages:
    6,839
    Loc:
    Salem NH
    Hello

    Well, got the Weed Block Pro down and a few more stones. Will now cover all with more stones!

    Attached Files:

  20. peakbagger

    peakbagger Minister of Fire

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2008
    Messages:
    1,561
    Loc:
    Northern NH
    Make sure you dig down and bury some hardware cloth about 10 to 12 inches deep at least one foot out from the shed and run it up the sides of the shed to keep the darn skunks out. They just love to den up under sheds and they are a PITA to get them out.
  21. Don2222

    Don2222 Minister of Fire

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2010
    Messages:
    6,839
    Loc:
    Salem NH
    What is hardware cloth?
  22. Don2222

    Don2222 Minister of Fire

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2010
    Messages:
    6,839
    Loc:
    Salem NH
    Hello

    Got more stone down. Only used 2 tons. Could use another ton atleast!

    Attached Files:

  23. peakbagger

    peakbagger Minister of Fire

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2008
    Messages:
    1,561
    Loc:
    Northern NH
    Its galvanized screen with 3/8"x3/8" openings, available at any hardware store. The skunks and other critter's claws get caught in the mesh and it is rugged enough that they cant chew through it.
  24. Stegman

    Stegman Feeling the Heat

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2011
    Messages:
    314
    Loc:
    Sterling, MA
    Looks good Don. I'm undertaking the same project this fall, and it looks like you're a few days ahead of me. I'm going 8x12 though. Wanted to go 10x12 but need a 10 foot setback in my town, so I had to downsize.

    I laid down the 4x4s around the perimeter on Sunday and have 3.5 yards of gravel being delivered on Thursday (i'm filling the 19x20 area under and around the shed.

    I'm hoping to set the blocks and build the floor this weekend. I'll be keeping an eye on your progress. Good luck.
  25. Don2222

    Don2222 Minister of Fire

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2010
    Messages:
    6,839
    Loc:
    Salem NH
    Neato Stegman

    Please post some pics as you go. I ended up getting another yard of stones so it took me 3.125 Tons or almost 3 yards!

    I will post more pics to, Also do not forget to put the weed block fabric before the stones!
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page