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UL LISTING NOW AVAILABLE ON WOODGUNS!!!

Post in 'The Boiler Room - Wood Boilers and Furnaces' started by BENAHSMAN, Jan 20, 2012.

  1. BENAHSMAN

    BENAHSMAN New Member

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    AHS is proud to announce that our complete line of WOODGUN Gasification Boilers are now available with the coveted UL LISTING!!

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  2. stee6043

    stee6043 Minister of Fire

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    I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say UL listing is "coveted". In some locations in this country it is still alltogether unimportant. Further, UL listing should never be confused with some kind of guarantee of quality. It is not, nor was it ever intended to be a quality designation.
  3. hobbyheater

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    UL listing would be very important in most locations across Canada without that approval it is doubtful that you would be able to get house insurance .
    Great News!

    Since joining " Hearth.com" about 2 months ago it has been very interesting seeing all the new concepts in wood gasification . The WG is one that maybe someday I can get to see first hand.
  4. EffectaBoilerUser (USA)

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    I would agree, the UL listing is not a quality designation.

    Also, there is quite a bit of confusion regarding the "UL" listing.

    UL is the organization that creates most standards but there are several organizations that are certified/ISO approved to list products to the UL standard (UL, ETL, OTL, Guardian Fire Testing etc.)

    For instance, I have an effecta lambda 35 boiler from Sweden and it to is listed to the UL and CSA standards by Guardian Fire Testing.

    As long as the wood boiler is listed by an approved testing/listing agency to the UL standard the insurance company and local government inspectors will approve it for indoor use.

    Brian
  5. FarmerTan

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    Hey, Ben. Our building inspector had never even heard of gasification boilers before, so she asked a lot of questions, including whether or not it was UL listed. Seems she was more interested in the coveted ASME "H" stamp. Loving my WoodGun so far, and we're finally getting some more seasonal weather here in southern CT so I'm getting a better idea of what it will do.
  6. maple1

    maple1 Minister of Fire

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    BTW, I sent an inquiry in a couple months ago via the online form, never got a reply. Just a heads up in case it's not working, maybe you should check.

    I think up here a UL stamp is asked about by insurers.
  7. huffdawg

    huffdawg Minister of Fire

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    This is whats in new horizons manual for the EKO . Anybody know what sort of progress has been made

    The boiler has been independently tested and has been certified to conform to ISO 9001, TUV, CE.
    Testing and certification for (North American certifications) UL 391, ETL and CSA are in progress

    Huff
  8. stee6043

    stee6043 Minister of Fire

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    Now boys i told you before the ekos are not tested to ul standards.Just call omni testing labs and they will tell you. What zennon is doing is called fraud.He should be in jail.
  10. hobbyheater

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    First picture shows the CSA Tag and number and the type of fuel that the unit should burn and a further reference to the information on the name plate.
    Second picture gives minimum clearances with which the unit should have to operate safely and these are the minimum!
    In our part of the country, Insurances brokers have inspectors known as WETT inspectors and it is only these inspectors who are approved by the insurance broker to do an inspection of a wood burning appliance.
    These listed minimums clearances give the WETT inspectors a standard by which to determine that the unit has been installed safely.
    Farmer Tan has pointed out that their inspector had never heard of wood gasification and in this area that scenario is all too common. When we presented our insurance broker with the WETT inspector's report, it also included the picture of the boiler (posted below). She read through the report and then told me she still needed a picture of the wood burning stove; not understanding the red thing in the picture was the " Stove". The WETT inspector that did our inspection, had also never heard of wood gasification and was very surprised to find out that the technology had been around for close to thirty years. On his own time, he stayed and watched the unit burn for about three hours, and his conclusion was that these units present little if any fire hazard. When I meet him a month or so later, he was very surprised to find out our insurance underwriter still surcharged us to use this type of wood burner !

    In Canada, the CSA tag does not come cheap and to a small manufacturer, this can be huge.
    I have also attached a portion of the WETT inspector's report to highlite what the inspector is looking for in terms of approvals.
    I strive to meet and exceed these minimum standards, because if I do not and have a insurable loss, it comes back to all of us in higher premimums.

    Since joining " Hearth .com" I believe the intent of this forum is to help one another through our personnel experiences and knowledge.

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  11. Digging up an old thread...

    UL listing was brought up on another topic. How many people who have installed boilers needed a UL listing? I know some boiler have the designation and some do not.

    When I installed my boiler, which has the listing, no one ever asked or cared if it was listed. What was your experience?
  12. maple1

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    Likewise - my quick call to my insurance guy last year only revealed CSA certification as a concern of his.

    No idea what would happen though if there was an incident requiring insurance involvement & there was no CSA or UL tag present - sometimes with insurance you don't really know the loophole they've got you in until you're needing their money & they don't want to pay up.

    (Mine has both).
  13. heaterman

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    Around here the insurance companies won't cover any boiler that is not UL listed regardless of whether it is indoor or outdoor. They may write insurance for your house and property but will not cover any loss that is related to the non-UL boiler. You start something on fire with the boiler and you are on your own.
  14. Blue Tornado

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    Wow, it sure is tough to get accurate legal information in here. To do so I would need a definition from each poster of the following terms; assumption, opinion and fact.
  15. I was under the impression that if you got a permit, had it inspected and informed your insurance carrier then everything would be fine. Of course insurance companies will look for an out -- but I don't how well their argument against a claim would hold up.

    Apparently woodgun sold a lot of boilers before they were listed. But felt the need to get the designation recently. Maybe some laws have changed?
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    711mhw Feeling the Heat

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    My "code guy" and Ins guy didn't pay any more attention to my boiler than they did to the color paint on the walls. I think that these things can be very localized, and prolly can differ within each (diff inspector or agent, same dept. or ins co.) Hell, it maybe a Monday morning vs. Fri afternoon thing.
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    Bingo, as we so often say it all depends. So when you find an agent/insurer that is sympathetic to your plight for coverage with a wood appliance treat them nice, keep their phone #'s & addresses send them a christmas card. You would be amazed at how far $5 worth of thank you, I appreciate that/you can go.
  18. maple1

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    Try your lawyer.
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  19. stee6043

    stee6043 Minister of Fire

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    Huh? NoLoMich must be different tham MidMich. I have a pre-UL EKO and it's fully insured. I have the $75 wood burning surcharge to prove it. My insurance guy came out, took photos and that was it. Done deal.
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    Years ago, my dad took some investment advice from his barber. Not good;em
  21. dogwood

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    Where we live in Virginia, the local inspector required our boiler to have a UL sticker, and the insurance company (State Farm) required the boiler to pass their inspection. Which is one of the reasons we went with the UL listed Tarm Solo Innova. By the way, now that Wood Guns are UL listed, it is no longer fair to be thinking of their owners as a disreputable lot.

    Mike
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    My insurance asked if wood was the primary heat. When I said "no, the oil is" he had no more questions.

    ac

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