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whitfield profile 20 start up smoke

Post in 'The Pellet Mill - Pellet and Multifuel Stoves' started by coachmen98, Jan 17, 2008.

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  1. coachmen98

    coachmen98 New Member

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    I have a profile 20 pellet stove and just moved it from my living room to the basement

    I just cleaned the stove including the plenim and all of the pipe and exhaust ports

    Chimney
    The stove has a clean out T, 4 feet of verticle pipe, to a 90 degree elbow to outside and the chimney pipe is clean.

    On start up teh chamber fills with smoke and smoke comes out in the room.

    Lennox says change the combustion fan motor
    a dealer told me tha this is a problem with these stoves

    I inherited the stove with the house and it seems to be in very good shape.

    Any suggestions would be helpful

    thanks

    Jim

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  2. hearthtools

    hearthtools Moderator Emeritus

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    Need more info on your pipe

    you say
    The stove has a clean out T, 4 feet of verticle pipe, to a 90 degree elbow
    then what? what kind of pipe after that?


    Start up smoke i kind of normal but not a lot of smoke.
  3. coachmen98

    coachmen98 New Member

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    All the pipe is 4 inch ID

    2 foot horizontal pipe to and excuse my desription to the stainless steel dryer vent "
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    hearthtools Moderator Emeritus

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    With that type of install you will get start up smoke. and smoke when the power in interrupted

    Read this thread
    http://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/13419/

    I would go up with pipe on the outside
    but if you dont
    I would put in out side air.
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    hearthtools Moderator Emeritus

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    Be sure to have ¼ inch per foot of rise in the horizontal run.
  6. coachmen98

    coachmen98 New Member

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    the hole through the concrete wall is angled But this is only a start up problem and I had to take the stove off of the thermostat
    when it starts to me the combustion blower is not strong enough to pump the smoke out but once lit it works fine
    I am absolutely stumped

    a blower motor and a super igniter are almost 300 bucks just to try it and they may not help
  7. hearthtools

    hearthtools Moderator Emeritus

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    FYI the SUPER ingitor is nothing special
    We do not sell them only Lennox direct parts.
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    hearthtools Moderator Emeritus

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    On start up the Air in the pipe is COLD and heavy
    this is why you need to be sure you have good rise in the pipe and proper draft.
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    I was thinking I needed to add a fan on the exhaust pipe but they dont have them in 4 inch, Does anyone think that my combustion blower is the culprit not being strong enough at start up??

    Thanks

    Jim
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    I was also getting smoke in the room at startup. I replaced my gasket and that solved it.
  11. coachmen98

    coachmen98 New Member

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    Its comming out of the windo wash slits in the glass
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    My smoke was coming out just at the top of the door.
  13. hearthtools

    hearthtools Moderator Emeritus

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    The inside of a pellet stove is a vacuum
    the only way smoke will come out of the front of a stove is
    if the Venting is Not enough draw
    Blocked ash trap Exhast chambers
    Blocked venting
    not enough rise in the venting
    Bad blower
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    what kinda shape is the door gasket in , and the window gasket. does the unit have a "missing gasket type" airwash? i agree with rod, usually an igniter stove will produce a faint whiff of smoke just as the unit ignites to a flame , then its gone , usually thats from the small clearance around the shaft opening for the exhaust blower fan but above the door means that you are not moving air swiftly enough , i'd think an ash blockage either in the exhaust path between the fire pot and the exhaust blower, or a blockage / restriction in the pipe. or possibly negative pressure in the house. to determine neg. pressure , open a door or window to outside about 5 minutes before lighting the unit, this allows time for inside pressure to equalize with outside pressure, then if the unit starts clean and doesnt smoke , add an "oak" if not , find the blockage and remove it
  15. coachmen98

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    Mike

    OAK??

    Oitside air Kit I am new to pellett stoves but that makes sense the profile 20 outside air hook up has no baffling to the burn area

    it just hooks up to te rear cover
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    I adjusted the door
    that eliminated 90 percent of the smoke in the room and
    I tried a used combustion blower another friend of mine had
    3 days burnin no clinklers and no smoke. now how to buy a fasco r7-rbm120
    without all the extra parts on it. Is it me or is it teh niche of being put on a pellet stove
    that instantly makes the parts more expensive.
  17. hearthtools

    hearthtools Moderator Emeritus

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    Our prices are high because they are the complete blowers and housing
    with Fan blades and most of the time gaskets and wire connections with Molex connections adapters come with the kit that are Original Manufacture part OEM.

    You can use after market parts and Build a blower but you dont get gaskets
    some times you dont get a fan blade, and if you do they are not the correct pitch for the right air flow or volosity.
    and some times they are not tested for the Heat rating needed

    You can save money by building your own but 90% of the people dont have the tools, Time or knowledge to take apart a blower and rebuild.

    Some of the older blowers that came on some stoves did not have the removable mount on the housing
    they were one piece.

    complete kit
    http://www.hearthtools.com/parts/whitfield12056009.jpg

    Old style blower without the flange on the housing to remove the motor and fan blade only.
    http://www.hearthtools.com/parts/oldsylecombustion.jpg
  18. coachmen98

    coachmen98 New Member

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    I have the blower from the top picture
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