Who is they and do they have enough support to get it done? Again lots of people want lots of things. That doesn't make it lawhere in canada they want to pass a law that no more gas powered vehicles can be sold new from manufacturer.
Who is they and do they have enough support to get it done? Again lots of people want lots of things. That doesn't make it lawhere in canada they want to pass a law that no more gas powered vehicles can be sold new from manufacturer.
does anyone know how much to switch out old cell for new one?and average length of time they last
federal governmentWho is they and do they have enough support to get it done? Again lots of people want lots of things. That doesn't make it law
In what vehicle??? What battery option for that vehicle? Does the whole pack need done or just part of it? If it's the whole pack some are less some are allot more. But they are getting much cheaper and easier to work onTo replace the battery it is about 16,000 dollars plus "numerous other problems" that I can't discuss on this particular forum...old clancey
Very little honestly. You still have brakes suspension steering tires etc that need checked. But the driveline itself there really isn't anythingwhat are maintenance procedures on an ev.i have no idea myself,i would assume there must be yearly tune up stuff.
So I just did the math based off of what it costs me per KwH and took the average cost of the battery replacement given by woodgeek ($7k or $100/KwH) to give me 70 KwH on said battery. With my KwH charge from the electric company charging at home would cost me $8.75. I gave the battery a 280 mile range, and came up with 483 charges rounded up per 135k miles. Charged solely at home, it would cost $4,226 in electric costs to get to 135k in an EV. A cost savings of $15,964.
Honestly, there is so little market for battery pack replacements... its hard to find a true market value. Most EVs are still on their first packs. But the OEM price for the new packs is under $10k at this point, so replacements shouldn't be much more.To replace the battery it is about 16,000 dollars plus "numerous other problems" that I can't discuss on this particular forum...old clancey
Interesting on tire wear, things that are unique to EV'sI'd say double the tire cost due to the torque, for me its close to 3 cents per mile, So add an additional $2k for that (doubling the ICE value).
On EVs, they like to flush the brake lines (bc they get too little use to ever heat up) every 10 or 20 k miles, and they replace the cooling fluid around the motor at 50k and 100k miles (its identical to transmission fluid). None of this is super expensive.
You have to rotate and replace tires (replacement happens a little more often with an EV, depending on the vehicle) and tires are about a 25% premium (low-rolling resistance, sometimes odd sizes so less choice) - there is a slight advantage to an ICE there. Otherwise, replace wiper blades, add wiper fluid, change cabin air filter, and that's basically it. Since I bought my Bolt, GM has invented a power electronics coolant system flush (not sure this is really necessary) that should supposedly be done at 150,000 miles.what are maintenance procedures on an ev.i have no idea myself,i would assume there must be yearly tune up stuff.
Is this an east coast thing? Our car's maintenance interval for brake fluid is every 5 years. Also, the battery and cabin heating and cooling fluids should be changed at this interval. FWIW, our tire wear has been quite good with both our previous and current Volts.I'd say double the tire cost due to the torque, for me its close to 3 cents per mile, So add an additional $2k for that (doubling the ICE value).
On EVs, they like to flush the brake lines (bc they get too little use to ever heat up) every 10 or 20 k miles, and they replace the cooling fluid around the motor at 50k and 100k miles (its identical to transmission fluid). None of this is super expensive.
My Bolt averages about 4 miles/kWh year round. When I bought the Bolt 5 years ago, I calculated an 80,000 mile break even point (that's just what I remember) based on reduced fuel cost and reduced maintainence.Now someone with an EV would have to chime in here to get average cost to charge per whatever mileage they get per charge and then do the math with those numbers to get the cost to get an EV to 135k miles.
So as to some of the comments saying that a lot of people are scared of EV’s because of what they see on tv, memes, or what have you. My opinions on EV’s are from real world experience working in the automotive field prior to getting into my current work field, from aftermarket shops that would see well worn vehicles, to the dealership dealing with new vehicles.
My concerns for EV’s aren’t stemmed from grid power, but longterm usage and the used market. Mainly because there are still a LOT of people who can’t afford, or refuse to pay the premium on current new vehicles. Which are the most expensive depreciating “asset” you can buy.
Since I need a fullsize pickup, and a lot of experience working with Fords, I decided to look into both the Lightning and hybrid F150s.
An extended range Lightning optioned for what I need in a truck is $74k. Which is astronomical and a price I will never pay for any vehicle ever. The hybrid, optioned for what I need, comes in at $54k. Much more reasonable. Looking into MPG gain vs my 2016 F150 with 2.7 ecoboost, is laughable. Real world mpg for the hybrid is LESS than my current vehicle. The only benefit to getting the hybrid would be a little bit faster of a truck, and the ability to have an onboard generator. Now since I don’t care about speed, I could get a generator for the price of one monthly payment of this truck and throw it in the bed and boom. Now my truck gets better mpg than the hybrid and has an onboard generator.
Now on to longterm reliability and usage. CHEAP replaceable battery packs would be a huge boon to the EV, as replacing a bttery pack on an EV is currently already easier than replacing an ICE. The problem is the very high cost of said battery. I can get 15+ years out of a properly maintained ICE. You will not get that out of a current battery pack. Obviously there are outliers to that, but for the most part goodluck getting an older affordable EV that wont need a battery in a few years.
Obviously battery tech will improve in the coming years to help change that and I can’t wait to see how long they can get them to last and how cheap they can make replacements.
Like Deja Vu all over again. The legacy carmakers kept beating the dead horse back in the early 70's putting band aids on carbureted V8's wanting the gov't to block out imports and not impose CAFE regulations. Now the import EV's will take over the market and the legacy makers will want help.The legacy car makers don't WANT to transition to EVs. They would be super happy to sell the same (style refreshed) products until the end of time. But they believe the analysts that say that eventually new EVs will be so cheap compared to new comparable ICE vehicles, that their ICE business model is simply doomed.
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