Possibly, but I do not subscribe to that outfield theory. The history of the wet market is something you really should research, dates back to a famine stituation in China not all that long ago. China is not the only place of wet markets-by their very nature they are a breeding ground for trouble,health wise- and then there is the marketing ploys as well compounding the underlying issues.
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Please thank her and your family for the work they do. It is so important.
Seasoned Oak
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That was not my first thought ,but their strange response is what makes me question motives. That coupled with now even denying it came from china at all ,plus now going as far as to be blaming the US military is really bizarre.
One should not confuse a dis-information and conspiracy war with the real medical war that is happening. There is good science coming out from China to other countries in spite of the friction barrier that has been raised here. Just yesterday it was reported that a research team in China has been studying cases after recovery. They found that surprisingly the Covid-19 virus was still alive in the upper respiratory tracts of some people 37 days after recovery! This is important information. We have a lot to learn still. Hostile rhetoric and disinformation help no one.
Seasoned Oak
Minister of Fire
Your right,this information and hostile rhetoric came from a chinese newspaper ,and yes i did read they are just now starting to cooperate after the horse has left the barn.
Chinese official blames coronavirus outbreak on US military
A Chinese government spokesman has tried to blame the US army for the deadly coronavirus outbreak, which was declared a pandemic by the World Health Organization this week. Chinese Foreign Ministry…
nypost.com
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Sounds like their equivalent of our politicos. It's rhetoric. They have pride too and don't like to lose face.Your right,this information and hostile rhetoric came from a chinese newspaper ,and yes i did read they are just now starting to cooperate after the horse has left the barn.
Chinese official blames coronavirus outbreak on US military
A Chinese government spokesman has tried to blame the US army for the deadly coronavirus outbreak, which was declared a pandemic by the World Health Organization this week. Chinese Foreign Ministry…
Highbeam
Minister of Fire
My city has many lift stations that pump sewage towards the treatment plant. Sure, we have a screen at the plant that collects all kinds of interesting stuff but the problem with “flushable” wipes is that they wind around the shafts of the pumps at the lift stations and stop them. Constant maintenance.
Cutting up old clothes, sheets, or using other paper products is fine but just don’t flush them. Garbage can.
I'll dip my toe into the water here, and just say that some of the most valuable information on the virus could be coming from China and Italy which was hit extremely hard. I do not believe any information coming out of China, as they have a poor record on almost every front, whether it's intellectual property rights, human rights, and complete government control of what news leaves China. Italy on the other hand has been very helpful and I found this Dr. to be very frank and on the mark, as someone who it dealing with this daily.
Medic21
Minister of Fire
So why are they double gloving and double gowning which are both directly against CDC recommendations. This is droplet protections. The requirements for that are only a mask on the pt if they tolerate it then gown and gloves. The provider may wear a mask but, until it is aerosolized through high flow oxygen or intubation there is no need for a hepa mask.
We have ceased field intubation of pt that we suspect. You wife is very much at risk unless All ever uses is video To intubate.
Look up a Muffin Monster and Channel Monster they work quite well for rags, strings and other items that should not be in the sewers to be being with. I used use them for industrial purposes.
They use that protocol during intubation and that's when they use a video largynoscope .
semipro
Minister of Fire
I can't help but believe that reports of sewer/septic problems from wipes stem from the use of the non-flushable biodegradable type which I think are synthetic, basically plastic.
We've been using the biodegradable type at our house on septic for 20 years without issue. I've watched the septic tank be pumped twice and the tech never mentioned any issues with wipes. It was clear from the content that whatever we were flushing was breaking down.
Maybe some that claim to be flushable aren't really biodegradable.
We've been using the biodegradable type at our house on septic for 20 years without issue. I've watched the septic tank be pumped twice and the tech never mentioned any issues with wipes. It was clear from the content that whatever we were flushing was breaking down.
Maybe some that claim to be flushable aren't really biodegradable.
Grizzerbear
Minister of Fire
I hear ya. If the auger breaks down on ours it is a heck of a mess...and does happen. I wasnt implying to not worry about it and flush whatever your heart desires. I was just stating that most times blockages that I have seen start where there is a problem in the pipe already. Old infrastructure. Obviously flushing wipes that won't dissolve multiplies the problem.
Medic21
Minister of Fire
Until everyone is being tested on a daily frequency we will never know the true death rate. Here the only people being tested, as with most areas, are those that need hospital admission and meet the CDCs requirement for testing. If they test positive, no one they have been in contact is being tested at this time. There would be a possibility of an additional 2-3 at a minimum if the tested person was the original carrier for the cluster of infections. If not they were one they was infected by one of the 2-3 that was infected by the original carrier.
See the problem with trying to have any numbers? I confidently, based on my experience of providing medical care in different third world countries, expect that the infection number is exponentially higher and death rate considerably lower.
woodey
Feeling the Heat
The 18 school districts in our County have decided to close schools immediately until at least April 20th.
maple1
Minister of Fire
Nope.
We raised 3 kids in this house from when it was new in 1996. Moved in when our oldest turned 1. Used wipes with all three, and I made sure the only ones that came here from the store were the 'right' ones. Got our tank pumped 5 years ago, there was a layer of the damned things all over the bottom that all looked like the day they were flushed. The pumper guy told me they just don't degrade and he sees it all the time. So unless they have somehow gotten better at making them degrade since we stopped using them, they just don't.
More on Italy's front line
'Not a wave, a tsunami.' Italy hospitals at virus limit
Every day is a scramble to find more intensive care beds than the critically ill who need them. There still aren't enough protective masks to go around.
www.pbs.org
Our Governor closed every school in the state (Michigan) for 3 weeks and banned any gathering of 250 or more, which means most churches will be closed tomorrow. I'm not sure she has the authority to ban gatherings over 250 persons, but given the circumstances it is probably a wise choice.
I saw these tweets. More sobering stuff.
www.theguardian.com
Ex-Obama official warns US health system faces 'tsunami' over coronavirus
Andy Slavitt, formerly Medicare and Medicaid administrator, tweets outline of threat after ‘Trump’s months-long denial’
Our governor made the same decision. It's necessary to reduce overload on the hospital system. This is a recent episode on local radio station about the Seattle frontline on the importance of flattening the curve.
Episode 1: Flattening the Curve
When the novel coronavirus made its way to American shores, it landed right here in the Pacific Northwest. Now, the Seattle area is the epicenter of America’s COVID-19 outbreak.
www.knkx.org
A cautionary tale of what happens when we don't flatten the curve.
www.bostonglobe.com
A coronavirus cautionary tale from Italy: Don’t do what we did - The Boston Globe
Many of us were too selfish to follow suggestions to change our behavior. Now we’re in lockdown and people are needlessly dying.
www.bostonglobe.com
There was a woman on CNN last night with a UAB backdrop.
The question, paraphrasing: "The supermarket is out of alcohol sanitizers. Can I use a plant-based product?"
She actually said something like "FDA really has nothing to do with products like these" in her reply.
Really? FDA has responsibility for AB washes, surgical scrubs, etc. I was working on it in the 1990s. EPA has responsibility for hard-surface products. We had those, too.
The question, paraphrasing: "The supermarket is out of alcohol sanitizers. Can I use a plant-based product?"
She actually said something like "FDA really has nothing to do with products like these" in her reply.
Really? FDA has responsibility for AB washes, surgical scrubs, etc. I was working on it in the 1990s. EPA has responsibility for hard-surface products. We had those, too.
Ashful
Minister of Fire
This was a good movie, and gave some insight into that issue, and other poverty and toilet-related issues in India:
Outsourced (film) - Wikipedia
Got a project due for work this weekend, so I'll get back to you on this, after I've had a chance to review. But I believe you were substituting multistage rocket theory, which was already well-proven and being used by the Russians (in both parallel and sequential forms) in the 1960's, with the concept of space rendezvous as a plan for getting to the moon. This rendezvous concept was indeed challenged for some time, and there became three separate camps of thought, as to the best plan for a moon shot.
On the multistage rocket concept, Russians started with a really cool multistage plan in the 1950's, where all stages would initially fire in parallel (hence the name, "parallel multistage"), but stages would drop off as they progressed away from the earth. This was very efficient, but also more complicated and prone to fail. They eventually dropped back to the simpler sequential multistage with which we're all familiar, which we also used in the US.
Before reading this thread, I would have never even considered that anyone would flush those things down a toilet! We went thru the baby wipes years (with babies... not the adults), starting in a house with public sewer and then moving to a house with septic, but in both cases we threw those things into a lidded trash can! The lid was mostly about keeping the dog out of them.
True, but keep in mind the mentions above of Philadelphia and London, two of the oldest sewer systems in the world, and each of which handle more sewage per day than any smaller borough does in three or four months! Both likely have many aged or antique components spanning ~150 sq.mi. each, serving easily 10 million people per day (6-8 million residents + commuters), both systems being over 200 years old. Most of the largest towns in your "eastern central PA" are literally only 1/100th the population of these two massive old cities, and most haven't had sewer systems more than 60 years!
Yep. For anyone who missed it: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...rg-london-s-130-ton-rock-solid-sewer-blockage
One of the key points of many of the interviews I've seen, including (if I recall) the Rogan interview begreen posted two pages back, is that this is the primary concern and motive behind event closings. Simply put, most of us are going to get this thing, and most of us will do fine with it. Many may have already had it, and not even realized it was anything other than a regular cold or flu. But for those who suffer more acutely from it and require hospital care, they are trying to avoid the same scenario we've all seen in Italy over the past ten days, in which so many people were infected so quickly that the hospitals are unable to handle the load. By closing schools and events, they are not under any assumption this will stop the spread, they are only trying to slow it to a rate at which our healthcare system is not loaded to the breaking point.
Trump of course has other motives, protecting the economy. Simply put, his re-election hinges on this one the economy doing well going into November. It almost appears that he hoped that by pretending corona was not an issue, it might go away. I guess for those who have lived thru the last dozen forecast "pandemics" that turned out to be non-events, with regard to the economy on a 6-month time scale, it was a calculated risk. Once the market tanked as a reaction to what was happening, it forced his hand toward a reaction. The rally on Friday, which I believe is an all-time record, was soothing for anyone who lost big money on Thursday. But I'm sure there's plenty of volatility in our near future, hang on to your hat.
I heard the same from one doctor, who prior to the interview was being touted as an expert of some kind in this field. But then I heard conflicting statements from two others, all within the same week. So those of us not in the industry, and apparently many who ARE in the industry, are left wondering. Was one doc apparently wrong, and the others right, or is this just an issue of timing and new observations?
...or they floated downstream into your field or mound, where they'll ruin your day sometime in the future? I dunno, just thinking out load.
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