VC Encore & Defiant update (no more oval pipes?)

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Ashful

Minister of Fire
Mar 7, 2012
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Just got back from the local VC dealer. They've never had a Defiant in their store, but they sell plenty of Encore's, and they told me that VC has gotten rid of their silly oval stove pipes. They showed me an Encore with a 6" round collar, and claimed they "thought" the Defiant had gone to a 6" or 8" round, but could not confirm.

Now, it's been at least 12 hours since I looked at the Defiant literature on the VC website, but I'm pretty sure they're still showing the stupid oval connector pipes in their data sheets and manuals for the Defiant. Does anyone know the scoop?

This dealer is also a Lopi dealer, and was really pushing the new Cape Cod Hybrid, as was the local Jotul/Lopi dealer. They all seem real excited about this stove, which should be out in roughly 60 days. I'll wait until it's proven in a few years to consider that stove, so it looks like I'll be buying a new VC to use for at least this year and next.

I did see the refractory rear burn plate, which others had spoken of in another thread. Looks fairly durable, but I can see how it could be broken, if one really chucked the wood into the firebox hard. This dealer did claim the cat cost was over $400, although I recall reading that a major part of the recent redesign of the VC stoves was to get them away from expensive custom cat's, and into cheaper standard-size cat's, so I'm doubting the dealer's info on this.

They also showed me the VC gasket kits, which are $70/each. Apparently, some of the gaskets are custom items, not the typical glass or graphite/glass gaskets. Not something that I like, but not enough a problem to write off the only cast catalytic stoves on the market.
 
I had an encore for years. Plenty of negative things to say. Some positive as well. I recall speaking to a reputable dude who repaired/serviced VC for years. He summed up newer VC stoves (not brand new 2n1) with one comment that made alot of sense to me. They are GREAT heaters when you burn them carefully and moderately... as a 24/7 workhorse heater... not so much.
I came close to buying a Defiant 2N1 before I bought the Oslo. I just couldnt sell myself on the relatively new and unproven refractory.
I do hope they get there rep back, lots of fond memories growing up in front of a VC.
 
They also showed me the VC gasket kits, which are $70/each. Apparently, some of the gaskets are custom items, not the typical glass or graphite/glass gaskets. Not something that I like, but not enough a problem to write off the only cast catalytic stoves on the market.

That's bills**t.
 
Oval is standard. Round is still offered. Not sure if it is an additional charge.
 
That's bills**t.

As in, "that sucks", or "they're wrong"? She showed me a VC gasket kit on their shelf labeled at $69. Something about wire-formed grapho-glass gaskets. I'm suspecting you can get away with still gluing up your own, but just passing on what was stated.

He summed up newer VC stoves (not brand new 2n1) with one comment that made alot of sense to me. They are GREAT heaters when you burn them carefully and moderately... as a 24/7 workhorse heater... not so much.

Thanks for the feedback. This is sort of what I'm afraid of, but lacking any other options for a catalytic stove that won't stick out like a sore thumb in an old fireplace... there aren't many options.

I came close to buying a Defiant 2N1 before I bought the Oslo. I just couldnt sell myself on the relatively new and unproven refractory.

Cosmetically, and because I already know Jotul, I would really love to go with an Oslo, but I still don't understand how anyone uses a non-cat stove as a 24/7 heater! I really just don't understand it.
 
Cosmetically, and because I already know Jotul, I would really love to go with an Oslo, but I still don't understand how anyone uses a non-cat stove as a 24/7 heater! I really just don't understand it.

do you mean because of the burn times?
 
As in, "that sucks", or "they're wrong"? She showed me a VC gasket kit on their shelf labeled at $69. Something about wire-formed grapho-glass gaskets. I'm suspecting you can get away with still gluing up your own, but just passing on what was stated.

Bulls**t as in they are wrong. You can get the $70 kit for $30 elsewhere.
 
Disregard, I just saw your other post in the woodshed. Hopefully the mods will move it over here. Im interested in reading the responses.

Yep... Was going to post a link to that thread in this one, but then realized my error. Will post when it gets moved!
 
As in, "that sucks", or "they're wrong"? She showed me a VC gasket kit on their shelf labeled at $69. Something about wire-formed grapho-glass gaskets. I'm suspecting you can get away with still gluing up your own, but just passing on what was stated.



Thanks for the feedback. This is sort of what I'm afraid of, but lacking any other options for a catalytic stove that won't stick out like a sore thumb in an old fireplace... there aren't many options.



Cosmetically, and because I already know Jotul, I would really love to go with an Oslo, but I still don't understand how anyone uses a non-cat stove as a 24/7 heater! I really just don't understand it.

Yeah . . . hard to believe anyone could run a non-cat stove 24/7 and rely on it as their main source of heat in the Fall, Winter and Early Spring . . . in Maine. ;) :)

On the serious note . . . it's not an issue . . . retains the heat for a decent time and usually there are plenty of coals to get things going. One does have to learn how to pick the right wood (size, type, etc.) and know when to load it and how to run the stove. It doesn't have the legs that a cat stove has, but it works for me and my wife and our work schedules. Of course I should add that I also have a decent oil wood boiler that will kick on if the temps drop below 60 degrees in the house . . . although it is a rare event to hear the boiler unless we're gone for an extended amount of time or if the temps are sub-zero (at which point the sound of the boiler in the morning almost functions like an alarm clock for me.)
 
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