Am I over-firing my Sirocco 30.2?

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Mustard Tiger

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Had a BK Sirocco 30.2 installed in April. Fired it up a few times when I was renovating the house in the late spring when the temps dropped into the 30's for a couple days which also allowed me to cure the paint. Since then haven't used the stove until the other night. This is my first time owning a wood stove, let alone a stove with a catalytic combustor.

Here's what I've been doing with cold starts, and what I was told to do by the shop who I purchased the stove from and installed it: Damper open, thermostat set fully open, door closed but not latched/slightly cracked. Let the fire go until you're in the active zone on the CAT thermometer probe, shut the door, close the damper and over time adjust the thermostat to wherever you want it, doing it in small increments.

I'm using juniper which is really dry (split some larger pieces last week and tested them with a moisture meter and they're anywhere from unreadable because the moisture content is too low, to 6%-7%. I'm in a high desert climate and it's really, really dry here). Fire takes off pretty quick, and as soon as the CAT thermometer probe is into the active zone I close the damper, let it go for a bit with the thermostat all he way up, then incrementally start dialing down the thermostat to my desired setting. When the thermostat is wide open there's obviously a lot of flames, and as you turn it down you can get everything from these really nice "ghost flames", to nothing at all when it's turned down low, which is all obviously normal for this type of stove.

Thing is, most of the time after I initially close the damper and the catalytic combustor is engaged, the needle on the CAT thermometer probe is pegged, like it almost does a complete 360 around the dial. I made sure it's calibrated correctly, essentially "zeroing" it to that first hash mark in the inactive zone. It obviously comes back down over time, but almost always seems to go full tilt initially. The thermostat works incredibly well and it's not like the stove is constantly cranked on high. Yesterday was the first day I left the house and went to work with the stove going. When I woke up the probe was in the inactive zone, I raked up the coals, loaded the stove and very soon after had the fire going again no problem, damper open, door cracked/barely latched, thermostat open until it back into the active zone, then closed the damper to engage the combustor and adjusted the thermostat incrementally down to where it was set pretty low before leaving for work. The house stayed at 69F-73F for the entire 14+ hours I was at work and still had coals in the stove when I got home and only loaded the stove about half-way int he morning (was watching the home thermostat on a WiFi app on my phone to monitor the ambient temp inside the house. I have forced air but only plan to use that as a backup, or if I go out of town for a few days in the winter, etc.)

I'm just worried that I'm over-firing the stove. The shop said once a week to really let the stove rip with the damper open to get a hot fire going to prevent creosote build-up in the chimney and let it go for 20-30 minutes. Did this the other night during the first burn of the season and smelled like something was burning (other than wood!). I already "baked in" the finish when I got the stove during those few burns in the spring with the windows open. This almost smelled like the paint on the chimney was getting baked or something, but didn't have any smoke in the house like when you do the first couple initial burns to cure the paint, if that even makes sense.

How easy is it to over-fire and damage one of these stoves? Is doing a weekly 20-30 minute wide-open burn recommended to clean out the flue/chimney and prevent/reduce creosote buildup? I understand that the higher up the flue and chimney the lower the temps are and these are the areas with the highest potential for creosote build-up, so it would make sense to let a fire rip to attempt to clear this out, but is this at the detriment of temps getting too high in the stove and causing any damage to it?
 
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Dont run with the door unlatched if the fire can sustain itself with the door closed

And never let it rip with the bypass open.

Do the two things and overfiring is hard to impossible due to the tstat
 
A weekly wide open burn is useful. But with the bypass closed.
 
Dont run with the door unlatched if the fire can sustain itself with the door closed

And never let it rip with the bypass open.

Do the two things and overfiring is hard to impossible due to the tstat
Appreciate this.

I guess the shop I bought the stove from made me think that if I wasn't running the stove hot I'd plug up the flue/chimney with creosote pretty quickly.

On a cold start I have the door essentially closed, just partially latched, otherwise the draft starts sucking the door closed. I get a pretty fantastic draft with the flue/chimney going straight up, no bends.
 
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Cat probe needle will be pegged until the cat itself settles in with some burn time, right now its acting a little overactive, nothing to really do but wait it out.
When I burn I try to let the fire start well, go to the needle on the probe is in the active range, close the by-pass but keep the air stat adjustment up, after it looks like the good majority of pieces are caught on fire, I'll turn the air down to the desire setting that I need for the weather, generally I smolder the load with an active cat until temps are consistently below 32, then its adjusted for gentle looking flames in the fire box with the blower on low / medium, very rarely do I need to run the stove on the high setting for the full burn cycle.
 
It's good to run with the tstat open once a week to burn off all the gunk *in the firebox*. If you run the stove properly, there should be nothing in the flue.
And if there is, you can't remove it with a burn on high unless you really burn it off. But you don't want to burn that off... That's called a chimney fire.
 
It's good to run with the tstat open once a week to burn off all the gunk *in the firebox*. If you run the stove properly, there should be nothing in the flue.
And if there is, you can't remove it with a burn on high unless you really burn it off. But you don't want to burn that off... That's called a chimney fire.
Should I have someone come out and inspect the flue and chimney since I've been burning a bit incorrectly for the last 2 days, or given it's so new I should be ok and just go from this point on the way that you recommended above?
 
I don't think you need someone to come out.
Likely all is fine.
Doing this a month and things might be different. Mostly the bypass; next time your stove is cold, do the dollar bill test on the bypass. Search on this site for what that is.

A bit awkward thru the stove, but so be it.
 
I don't think you need someone to come out.
Likely all is fine.
Doing this a month and things might be different. Mostly the bypass; next time your stove is cold, do the dollar bill test on the bypass. Search on this site for what that is.

A bit awkward thru the stove, but so be it.
I do that in the next couple days since it's supposed to warm up outside and wont need the stove then. I'm pretty sure the bypass is working correctly. Clunks closed, combustor glows liek crazy and when it's engaged there's no smoke coming out of the chimney.
 
You may want to p.m. @BKVP with the name of the dealer, as clearly they are giving bad advice.
 
Should I have someone come out and inspect the flue and chimney since I've been burning a bit incorrectly for the last 2 days, or given it's so new I should be ok and just go from this point on the way that you recommended above?
No worries!

BKVP
 
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Dont run with the door unlatched if the fire can sustain itself with the door closed

And never let it rip with the bypass open.

Do the two things and overfiring is hard to impossible due to the tstat

@stoveliker , I am curious what you meant by "never let it rip with the bypass open". When I light up ours up from a cold start, I have the bypass open and the thermostat on high for 20-25 minutes (front door closed) until the thermostat gets to the Active zone. There are times it will get going pretty good while I'm waiting for it to get up to the Active temp. Once it gets to Active, I close the bypass and turn the thermostat down to low and let it do its thing for the entire load.
 
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Yes, you ought to run with the bypass open untill the cat is active.
But upon a reload, if the cat is active, close the bypass after a minute or so (to get rid of any cold air). Whenever the cat is active one should not run with the bypass open.

Letting it rip once a week to clean out the gunk in the firebox is good - but not with the bypass open.

Also,.in my stove it takes far less time to get the cat active in a cold start. 10, 15 min max.
Are you doing a top down start? Close the door as soon as the fire grows even after the door closes?
Is your wood dry enough?
How tall is your flue?
 
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Yes, you ought to run with the bypass open untill the cat is active.
But upon a reload, if the cat is active, close the bypass after a minute or so (to get rid of any cold air). Whenever the cat is active one should not run with the bypass open.

Letting it rip once a week to clean out the gunk in the firebox is good - but not with the bypass open.

Also,.in my stove it takes far less time to get the cat active in a cold start. 10, 15 min max.
Are you doing a top down start? Close the door as soon as the fire grows even after the door closes?
Is your wood dry enough?
How tall is your flue?

Thanks for clarifying. I'm not sure what you meant about a top down start, but I follow what the manual recommends and I do close the front door as soon as the fire is going enough to where it won't go out (thermostat set to High). Our wood is seasoned for 2 years and moisture reading of below 20 per the manual. Our flue is about 16 ft.

But yes when it's warming up the fire is going pretty good (almost roaring at times) as the stack gets pretty hot but the cat temp takes the 20-25 minutes on average to get to Active.
 
Sounds like you're doing everything right.

(top down fire is big splits on the bottom, kindling on top, light at the top - rather than building a kindling fire and have it smothered by bigger splits put on top of that kindling fire).

Has your cat always taken this long to get active?
If not, how much do you burn in a season? Every day for 5 months, or weekends only (two extremes)? The lifetime of a cat is about 10-12,000 hrs so you may be reaching that?

Where is the cat gauge when it's room temp? (Maybe it's miscalibrated; there's two other threads recently about that here.)

Or it's just slower because you have 16 ft (I have 10 ft more - though with a horizontal section in it).
 
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This is how it's supposed to be at room temp - if your gauge looks exactly like mine. I.e. with the indicator near the little tickmark at the bottom of the inactive range.
 

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Sounds like you're doing everything right.

(top down fire is big splits on the bottom, kindling on top, light at the top - rather than building a kindling fire and have it smothered by bigger splits put on top of that kindling fire).

Has your cat always taken this long to get active?
If not, how much do you burn in a season? Every day for 5 months, or weekends only (two extremes)? The lifetime of a cat is about 10-12,000 hrs so you may be reaching that?

Where is the cat gauge when it's room temp? (Maybe it's miscalibrated; there's two other threads recently about that here.)

Or it's just slower because you have 16 ft (I have 10 ft more - though with a horizontal section in it).

Yes, I think it has always taken this long. It is only about a year old, we burned every day for about 3 months last season with it so that's all it has on it.

Funny you mention the gauge, I was asking this in another thread, my gauge is the newer one so it looks different than yours. So far I think it's calibrated OK from what I've heard back so far.
 
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ok. Then I think it's your system (flue) that makes the difference in time getting the cat to active. No biggie.

As long as you close the bypass for any and every burn where the cat has reached the active zone, all is good!

Ah, yes, I did not check whether you were one of the posters in the other threads... :-)