another possible "barn" stove

[ad356]

i went and looked at another stove today. this time it was an englander model 24-fc/24ac. im not to familiar with these stoves. looked like it was a nicely built, heavy duty unit and it looked like it was an air tight stove unlike the piece of junk i have now. seems like the blower would move allot of air. i dont know how much these stoves cost new or how they compare to what englander makes now, specifically how does it compare to the 50-SNC13 sold at lowes; i look at them in store the price was $650. it looked like the stove i looked at today was produced in 1996, i did notice that it has a catalytic unit on it so im guessing that adds to the maintenance costs. it looked like the cat was still in good shape of course i dont really know what to look for when they fail. all i can say is that this thing was big and heavy. he had the add listed on craigslist for $550, i told him that was steep he said he would come down to $400. this stove is in pretty good shape although it could use a cleaning.

how does the heat output of this stove compare to the heat output of the lowes stove?

 

[Sprinter]

You got me curious. This is apparently an old model, discontinued. Very little info on it, here's a thread from last year: https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/englander-new-old-stock.73978/#post-73978

You can probably find more with some searches.

The manual is here: http://www.englanderstoves.com/manuals/24-ACD.pdf

Personally, if it were me, I think I'd go for a new 13 NC from Lowes or Home Depot if it will do the job.

 

[ad356]

i was trying to find something a little cheaper although I know 650 is not a bad price, it is wise to price out all options before just making an impulse buy. these days just because something is new doesn't mean its the best, perhaps compared to a companies previous products often times the newer model is made cheaper. I know Englander stove works still makes one of the best stoves stoves on the market especially at that price range and are probably just as good as say lopi for example. I just want to see what else is available, I will say that this unit seemed to be extremely well made

 

[Seasoned Oak]

I didnt know englander made a cat stove!

 

[begreen]

I thought that was actually a decent cat stove. IIRC Mike from Englander had one. Send stoveguy2esw a conversation.

 

[HotCoals]

Interesting.
Me being me would like that cat stove if it's all that.
Wonder how big the box is.

 

[ad356]

it had a decent size firebox looks like it would rock allot of heat. it looks big and overbuilt, it doesn't look very easy to move that's for sure. I looked at that PDF manual and it says
"9,000 to 20,100 BTU/Hr "

did they make an error in the manual, because the size of this thing and its firebox screams allot more then 20,100 btu looks more like a 70,000 btu stove. it has the normal damper and it has two damper knobs in the front door. the guy said he had it in an non-insulated cabin and he removed it because it was actually cooking him out of there. the said it was way too much heat. the specs page rated it to heat up 2,000 sq foot. I was told it was a heat monster and from the size of it I would have to believe it. it does have new firebricks and the body of the stove has no rust. it looked to be exceptionally well built but very heavy and not easy to move. I don't even know how I would get it off of a truck, honestly.

if I was going to go used I would go with this one over a Vermont casting, this unit has a blower and I think it would rock allot more heat

 

[Sprinter]

Englander's 30-nc is a heat monster, too for a very nice price. Is this actually going into a barn or garage or something?

 

[ad356]

yes its going into a barn, so I want a quality stove but I want to keep the price down so I was looking at used just to see what is available. the 30-nc is nice but lowes didn't have any of those and its kind of more then I would like to spend on a barn/garage stove I was actually thinking on the lines of a 13nc.

by the way I calculated based upon inflation what that older Englander stove cost in todays money. I came up with $1,200 based upon the original retail of $800 adjusted for inflation. I got that $800 figure off of an old thread on this very forum that stated the stove back in 1996 was $600 without the blower and $800 with the blower. this unit has a blower.

this really was not a cheap stove back when it was new

 

[ad356]

so tell me more about cat stoves?? I don't know allot about them but im guessing they operate similar to a cat in an automobile? they heat up and burn off all of the unburned hydrocarbons, correct? they don't really make cat stoves anymore do they? why did they get away from them. how does it impact heating performance, good or bad?

 

[Sprinter]

they don't really make cat stoves anymore do they?

There are fewer made than non cats but still quite a few models and owners love them. Take a look at the cat in that stove and see it's condition. New ones will cost, I don't know, maybe 150 - 175 or more and have to be replaced every few years depending. Cat owners can elaborate on that.

Cat/non cat debates are a favorite topic here. There is a pretty current one going that you can look at. I do think Englander still makes replacement for that stove.

 

[eclecticcottage]

Here's an older BK Princess for $450 if you're thinking about used stoves. (broken link removed to http://buffalo.craigslist.org/grd/4136506416.html) Someone here can probably say if the older BK's measure up to the mythical burn abilities of the new ones, but as far as I know, BK is a god stove too.

 

[eclecticcottage]

Or this one, it's supposed to be a brand new DW non-cat stove for $300 (broken link removed to http://buffalo.craigslist.org/hsh/4107334657.html)

 

[Seasoned Oak]

Englander's 30-nc is a heat monster, too for a very nice price. Is this actually going into a barn or garage or something?

I use a 30 in my workshop part time and frankly trying to warm up a cold uninsulated 20x 25 shop, it takes awhile. Even with the small size of the room the 30 is always burning flat out with fans going to warm up the shop. So if you are not heating 24/7 in a smalle space the 30 is not too big. A 13 would be way too small in there.

 

[ad356]

how much larger is the 30 vs. the 13, and is the Englander CAT stove im looking at for $400 larger then the 13? if its more comparable to the 30 it might be worth my $400, I would spend half as much

 

[HotCoals]

If you need to heat a big area fast I don't think I would go cat.
Too much flame impingement will muck it up.

 

[Sprinter]

how much larger is the 30 vs. the 13, and is the Englander CAT stove im looking at for $400 larger then the 13? if its more comparable to the 30 it might be worth my $400, I would spend half as much

You can do the math for yourself, but if it were me, I'd get a 30-NC in there now. Get what will work best, not what's cheapest by a few hundred. This is long haul. The 30-NC is 3.5 cf of heat and you won't beat it especially for the price.

 

[BrotherBart]

New name for the 30-NC. A Barn Burner.

 

[Sprinter]

New name for the 30-NC. A Barn Burner.

I hope you don't mean that literally, BB

But in case he does, watch those clearances!

 

[BrotherBart]

But in case he does, watch those clearances!

Always watch those clearances.

 

[Seasoned Oak]

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how much larger is the 30 vs. the 13, and is the Englander CAT stove im looking at for $400 larger then the 13? if its more comparable to the 30 it might be worth my $400, I would spend half as much

THe 30 is a 3 CF, stove and the 13 is a 2 CF stove.The interior capacity for wood. It does not sound like much but its a big difference. The 30 is 135 Lbs heavier than the 13 as well.

 

[ad356]

that weight is actually one of the things that concerns me, how in the hell am i going to move a 420 lbs stove, yikes. also us stove rates their 2000 model at "up to 89,000 btu" englander rates their 13 up to 60,000. why such a difference 29,000 btu is a huge difference. is the us stove unit somehow a better heater or are their testing methods really different, the stoves are basically the same size.

also what about the "wonderwood" type circulators? there is one in arcade, $500 or best offer 1 year old. if i could get that for $350 would it be worth having? are those good units? i dont know a whole lot about them, but i seem them for sale. brand new they retail for $799. what's the difference between that and a more traditional stove?

 

[Seasoned Oak]

that weight is actually one of the things that concerns me, how in the hell am i going to move a 420 lbs stove, yikes. also us stove rates their 2000 model at "up to 89,000 btu" englander rates their 13 up to 60,000. why such a difference 29,000 btu is a huge difference. is the us stove unit somehow a better heater or are their testing methods really different, the stoves are basically the same size.

The 2000 does get very hot ,but you will get about the same heat from either stove.If one is hotter its just burning faster and will go out sooner. The model stove does not change the BTU content and the amount of heat you get out of the of the wood.
Unless you get a NON EPA stove then you dont get the heat contained in the smoke which may be significant. My advice is get ONLY an EPA certified stove no matter the model. better stove have a lower emission rate. My harman is less than a gram.