Anyone have the Blaze King King 1107? I was looking at the manufaturer's listed specs, and it reports 40 hour burn time? Is this greatly exaggerated, or what? That doesn't even seem possible. I understand that the firebox is 4.32 cu. ft, but my Isle Royale with 3.0 ft firebox has trouble making 6 hours. Granted, I could use some new gaskets. Regardless, 40 hour burn time seems way too high without a WHOLE lot of smoldering. If anyone has any accounts of their burn times with this stove, I would be grateful.
Blaze King King 1107?
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This is a catalytic stove. It can cruise a long time at low temps with a 4.3 cu ft load of wood. I'm not sure about 40 hrs, but have heard of it going 24 hrs between reloads.
PS: Get those gaskets replaced and you should see a nice increase with the IR.
PS: Get those gaskets replaced and you should see a nice increase with the IR.
karri0n said:
Just for reference, my catalytic insert, VC WinterWarm (small), with 1.25 cubic foot firebox has gone 11 hours with the air shut right down, leaving about a quart of active coals.
This is roughly proportional to 40 hours on 4.32 cubic feet. Those cats can really be dialled down without smoldering.
I'm going to have to plead ignorance on this one. I wasn't aware that cat stoves had such higher burn times. I apologize for any offense that might have been taken from my post, since I did infer that Blaze King manufacturers weren't being honest.
If I owned a large house and wanted to heat it with wood, the large Blaze King would be at the top of my list.
If you can crank down that BK to last for 40 hours you will also be really cranking down its heat output. Not a bad thing at all since a 4.3 CF stove will make lots of heat when hot. The BK has some other fantastic features like thermostatic air control, and a big blower too.
I consider the ability to burn long, low, and clean to be extremely valuable.
I consider the ability to burn long, low, and clean to be extremely valuable.
Todd said:
If I owned a small town and wanted to heat it with wood, the large Blaze King would be at the top of my list. :cheese:
I personally know two people with blaze kings and they get really long burn times with little to know effort. 12 to 16 hours on softwood. Longer burns if you stuff the box.
Find North of 60 s posts. He owns one and he lives in the Yukon. I think he should be the companies spokesperson.
Maybe these are hardwood burn times?
Find North of 60 s posts. He owns one and he lives in the Yukon. I think he should be the companies spokesperson.
Maybe these are hardwood burn times?
I would Imagine they are talking ab Hardwood burn times. Here in CT, you really can't find softwoods sold by the cord. Almost all Oak. If I make a stove purchase in the future, the Blaze king is one I will definitely consider, after getting the confirmation from these posts. I also really like the Harman TL300 with that builtin grill. I haven't yet found one that appeals to my aesthetic sense as much as the Isle Royale, though. It's like they use modern styling for all the really high output stoves.
karri0n said:
If you like the style of your Isle Royale, then spend the time to replace the gaskets and check for other leaks that may be burning your wood faster than nessesary and get them fixed, it shouldn't cost much and will improve your burn time. Unless you are heating a very large area, or using poor wood, it should keep a fire longer than 6 hours. As much as I want a BK, as long as my old smoke dragon is running safely, it will have to do.
I installed the Princess, the Kings little sister this fall. I will attest to the long burn times. We have not been above zero all week(20 below now) and its keeping our 1700 sq ft house above 73 at all times. Oh and that is only stoking it twice a day with Birch. 6:30 am and 6:00 pm. Not the prettiest stove on the market, but up here function takes priority over looks.
arctickat said:
and rightly so!
I always give more priority to function than form. I just think it would be nice to see a nice decorative stove that also has a huge burn time and output like that.
I'll bet with ideal laboratory conditions i.e. just the right ash bed, a very carefully filled 4.0 cf of perfect hardwood, with just the right amount of coals in just the right place, I could have coals remaining in my Equinox after 40 hours. Thats a start time of say early morning and all you need is a few coals still burning at midnight the next day. No big deal. Its still burning yea, but it's not going to heat your house.
By the way, don't let that big firebox get you, with 16-18" wood lengths I only use a little over half of my stoves capacity. I've now used up all my junk small pieces and all I have left is regular splits. 4 to 5 splits is all I can get in there. I'd do better to cut all of my wood 13" or 25", then I could fill it up to the gills.
By the way, don't let that big firebox get you, with 16-18" wood lengths I only use a little over half of my stoves capacity. I've now used up all my junk small pieces and all I have left is regular splits. 4 to 5 splits is all I can get in there. I'd do better to cut all of my wood 13" or 25", then I could fill it up to the gills.
FireWalker said:
An I'd be willing to bet, with my current gaskets, which really aren't THAT bad, (ash pan is decently tight on the dollar test, griddle top is pristine, but the front door that bill slides pretty easily)with ideal laboratory conditions i.e. just the right ash bed, a very carefully filled 3.0 cf of perfect hardwood, with just the right amount of coals in just the right place, I could have coals remaining in my Isle Royale after 7 hours.
FireWalker said:
I doubt it, a non cat can't be shut down like cat stoves. There is always going to be some air going into your stove to keep that fire box hot for secondary combustion. You need 1100 degrees to burn smoke and gases, so that requires more air and an insulated firebox, otherwise it wouldn't pass the EPA test. A catalyst only requires temps around 400 to light off secondary combustion, so they can be built air tight and tunned down to a long slow burn. But hey, give it a try and see what you come up with. I 'm really interested to see what that Equinox can do.
You are probably right. I do know that if I put just the right large hard split tight against the back of the stove, then fill on top and to the front, 24 hours later I've still got coals. The tighter the fill the longer it burns, especally in the back and back ends of the stove. Once my stove drops below secondary burn temps and smoldering happens, the pieces in the back last a long time and don't go out.
It's cold up here now and I'm on a 6am and 6pm loading schedule that is really working well. I'll have plenty of coals tonight to rake, shake and fill when I get home at 6 this evening. I do add a couple of splits if I can squeeze them in at 11pm before bed. If I was going to complain about anything with the Equinox it would be the shape of the firebox. Too low and long, I would gladly give up 3 of the 25" firebox width for more height, with regualr split sizes it's hard to get 2 splits high and three deep (6 pieces) when filling the stove, don't want to push against those burn tubes and baffle.
It's cold up here now and I'm on a 6am and 6pm loading schedule that is really working well. I'll have plenty of coals tonight to rake, shake and fill when I get home at 6 this evening. I do add a couple of splits if I can squeeze them in at 11pm before bed. If I was going to complain about anything with the Equinox it would be the shape of the firebox. Too low and long, I would gladly give up 3 of the 25" firebox width for more height, with regualr split sizes it's hard to get 2 splits high and three deep (6 pieces) when filling the stove, don't want to push against those burn tubes and baffle.
Todd, you assume that firewalker is worried about or trying to maintain secondary combustion the whole time. With the proper damper and no qualms about smoke or creosote, the equinox can be burned slowly and holds enough wood to smolder for many hours. Maybe not 40 but many more than if it was run properly.
So, on a non-cat stove, you SHOULDN'T ever crank it down all the way? If that's the case, then you might as well shorten my max burn to about 4-5 hours with the IR.
edit: though, once I get mostly embers going, I don't see any smoke, so I'm confused now.
edit: though, once I get mostly embers going, I don't see any smoke, so I'm confused now.
Highbeam said:
Where's the fun in that? You want Al Gore to come and put his carbon footprint up your ashpan or something? :cheese:
Highbeam said:
I'm not worried about Firewalker, it sounds like he's got a great stove and only has to load every 12 hrs which is very nice! I just wish they made one with a cat so you could smolder it for 40 hrs, not worry about smoke and creosote, and actually get some useful heat out of it!
Highbeam said:
It's hard for me to believe that the BKK didn't do some serious smoldering during the last 20 of it's 40 hour burn.
And by the time my stove starts to flame out, whats left to burn is all charcoal anyway which produces little smoke or creosote.
Al Gore loves FireWalker, I just don't feel the same way about him.
karri0n said:
No, you can crank it down all the way. Non cats have some kind of stop mechinism on the air control to prevent total shut off of air to keep them hot enough to create secondary burn to pass EPA specs. Usually on the air slid somewhere. Some people modify this to slow the burn if you have an overdraft from a tall chimney, but is not recommended due to warranty issues. Your right when the burn is down to the coal stage there is little smoke or creosote worries.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I just think it's really hard for manufactures to make extra large stoves clean enough for the EPA without a catalyst. They can do it but it will suffer with shorter burn times. I don't mean to dis anyone stove out there, I'd just like to see a cat soapstone with a 3-4cu ft firebox that I could load up once per day and give me 24hrs of long even heat. Wishful thinking huh?
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