Burningissues summary thread.

[restorer]

Crap I have just followed a thread all of us should read. Problem is I can't copy the URL. Price of being banned. Go to the forum, click on the Welcome to forum, click on, "What makes a Scientific Reference". That is this site in a nutshell. You see all the crap. Our less volatile gang has cracked the nut shell. Worth reading and worth digesting. Good job HB's.

If course it may be crap as daily posts are disappearing. Oh well.......

 

[restorer]

Harley, you da man. Got the lunies to fess up. Smooth, you must have a very well tuned exhaust :cheese: :long:

 

[restorer]

Just found Burning Man got tossed. What did he do? Are you a member of ths forum? Any of you know who he is? Call in the buuls and hefers.

 

[jason1238]

posting the link...

http://burningissues.org/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=356

Looks like the tone is starting to change over there, let's keep it up!

I'm still LMAO every time I see "Oliver" post...

 

[CountryGal]

Oliver cracks me right up. Someone needs to start a thread about how burning candles kills and all cathedrals are killing people! And incense! Oh, the humanity

 

[begreen]

Watch it or Ollie will be over here with his Wesson oil and "man-love".

-> anyone notice how there is only one page of General Discussions? I posted it as a bug. Never seen that in a forum before. I know I'm tempting fate by stepping under the goddesses's radar, but that is just wrong.

 

[Jay Shank]

these people are a bunch of idiots. You have on screaming cancer will kill you.(what will not kill). Have god ask where you sit around the fire pit.(only a moron sit right in the smoke). most of us agreed owb and fireplace are not good. they say my stove (epa) put more the 175% of epa claims.(still only 4.6gpm) They coal nuke electric.
But there are be the first to protest if in there backyard. Yes I agree wood smoke can be bad,but burned properly i believe is the cleanest fuel for the money.

I would like to what these people do for the envorment. No where on there did i see anything for greener living(like our greenroom). They need to do more educating and less crying cancer.


Live greener live cleaner,

Jay

 

[Harley]

anyone notice how there is only one page of General Discussions? I posted it as a bug. Never seen that in a forum before.

I'm not sure I'm following what you mean, BG

EDIT.... OOOPS... I see it now

 

[northwinds]

Burningissues seems to have run out of steam. Most of the last posts are from members here, and nothing
has been posted for over 10 days.

I think we'll continue to see issues like these surface, however. Today's Wisconsin State Journal's SOS column was about a little old lady in Madison, Wisconsin who is having trouble with her wood-burning neighbors. The appliances are indoor units, not outdoor units. According to the woman, ""The bad odor is like a magnet...I realize the neighbors have a right to have woodburning fireplaces and furnaces, but do I have a right to fresh air not polluted by the stenchy smell?"

The City's environmental epidemiologist for the Public Health Department says as to the city's ozone and particulate matter problem, "Wood burning is one source of a lot of it." He goes on to give his opinion that people should not heat with wood. "Wood is probably the dirtiest fuel we have access to..."

No on-line link yet. I'll post it if I can dig it up. I'm going to try to write a letter to the editor in response in the next couple of days. Madison is currently looking into restricting outdoor wood-fired boilers. The article states that there is just one outdoor wood boiler in the city (which has a population of about 250k).

 

[jtp10181]

I can't belive any idiot in the city limits would have an OWB in thier yard.

Did they give the lady's address? I could go sell her neighbors some new QUAD units and clean up the air.

Is that coal MGE power plant still running here? I lost interest in all that. If it is, I think maybe that is a little dirtier than modern wood stoves. Just need to get people to update thier stoves. They could require people to get permits to use wood appliances and then have an inspector go make sure it is a cleaner burning unit. Would be a lot of work but would be the most just solution I think. Basically the permit could last the life of the applicance. Any complaints of wood smoke and they could look up and see if that person has a permit or not to even be using a wood unit.

 

[DriftWood]

-> anyone notice how there is only one page of General Discussions? I posted it as a bug. Never seen that in a forum before. I know I'm tempting fate by stepping under the goddesses's radar, but that is just wrong.

Cheep skates do not want to spent the money on ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssstorage on line of all those bits and bites.

 

[VT-Woodburner]

AC from NY is a one trick pony. She lives out in the country on over 7 acres and she's complaining about her neighbor's OWB that's over 1500 feet away! She SEES smoke and suddenly can't breathe.
But it has been quiet over there lately. Could it be that they have been confused by the facts about woodburning?

 

[Rhone]

Never knew about that site. Oliver cracked me up. I thought it excellent & professional the way Harley showed a document was invalid by stating its opening line proving the article was biased before the research began. My favorite was when someone posted about putting a bubble around someone's house and NY woodburner responded "I would like you to put a bubble around your car". That was an interesting read.

 

[Harley]

You missed the really funny post (long since deleted) related to the link between burning wood and substance abuse.

 

[thechimneysweep]

I've been forever banned in that forum, but would have liked to have had the chance to post this link for the forum members who tout "clean" electric heat: (broken link removed to http://www.twnside.org.sg/title/plant.htm)

 

[tradergordo]

Just found Burning Man got tossed. What did he do? Are you a member of ths forum? Any of you know who he is? Call in the buuls and hefers.

"He" was tossed right after posting the "junk science on burning issues main page" thread. Which is sort of funny because the moderator replied to that post specifically addressing a guy he had banned from the site and could not read the reply. "Burning man" came back one more time using an anonymous proxy and a new alias, but got banned again after just one post. This time the post was deleted also...

It was something along the lines of:

Regarding the comment on your front page describing wood smoke as "asbestos sized deadly debris”... Asbestos is so deadly because of its shape (like microscopic shards of glass or barbed spears really) and its composition (the body cannot break it down). Asbestosis is a scarring of the lung tissue from an acid produced by the body’s attempt to dissolve the asbestos fibers. Woodsmoke has nothing to do with asbestos, so the artificial association on the burningissues main page is very misleading, but in fact it isn’t even true! Most respirable asbestos fibers are in the 3.0-20.0 µm size range, while even according to burningissues own webpage, 90% of woodsmoke is less than 1µm.

It should also be noted that you breath “asbestos size or smaller” particles every time you cook, toast a piece of bread, go to the bathroom, fart, drive in traffic, go outside (especially when the flowers are in bloom), not to mention our indoor air is filled with such particles which you often see accumulating on everything you own - it’s called dust (human skin particles mostly - so our own bodies are constantly emitting “asbestos sized particles").

"Burning Man" has not been back since and never will be.

 

[northwinds]

I can't belive any idiot in the city limits would have an OWB in thier yard.

Did they give the lady's address? I could go sell her neighbors some new QUAD units and clean up the air.

Is that coal MGE power plant still running here? I lost interest in all that. If it is, I think maybe that is a little dirtier than modern wood stoves. Just need to get people to update thier stoves. They could require people to get permits to use wood appliances and then have an inspector go make sure it is a cleaner burning unit. Would be a lot of work but would be the most just solution I think. Basically the permit could last the life of the applicance. Any complaints of wood smoke and they could look up and see if that person has a permit or not to even be using a wood unit.

Actually, they did give her street: Schenk Street on Madison's east side. If you have Sunday's State Journal, the column is in the local section, page one. It doesn't look like they're going to put the column in the archives, and my email to the reporter has not yet received a response.

I don't get down to the People's Republic of Madison very often, so I'm not sure about the coal power plant either. I'm not super excited about the permitting, because I believe the fees for permitting would be extraordinary and would probably be used to subsidize Madison's failing water system. Personally, I believe that the key is education of users. Once the lady's neighbors on Schenk Street understand that a new Isle Royale and dry firewood will save them money in the long run, all reasonable minds should be satisified.

 

[drmiller100]

my bait for the dangers of dihydrous oxides failed....

 

[colsmith]

That anti-cancer lady is really around the bend. I think if there was more cancer danger from wood stoves than from cigarettes we would have heard about it someplace?!? I post on burningissues sometimes myself. It is ironic that I am an organic gardener, my hybrid car gets 50 MPG, my house is full of compact fluorescents, I wear really old clothes and am such a non-consumer, yet some of those folks would consider me an evil polluter.

 

[jtp10181]

Heh, she lives like less than 5 minutes away from me. I should drive over there one day and check out the chimneys.

 

[northwinds]

One of the editors at the newspaper sent me a link:

(broken link removed to http://www.madison.com/wsj/blogs/sos/index.php?ntid=128721&ntpid=1)