Common Buckthorn

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Toasty-Yote

Member
Dec 13, 2022
44
New York
So like a newbie, I thought CB was actually chokecherry. The woods near my house are loaded with CB so I’ve been burning it and despite being pretty small, it is great. Seems to put out a ton of heat for its size and the heartwood stays dry and hard despite laying on wet ground better than most. I was confused by firewood charts that showed only moderate BTUs for CC but now it makes sense that I had the species wrong.

Anyone else specifically seek CB? I think it may be my favorite. Coals up nicely, tons of heat, gorgeous wood and on top of it, sparks quite a bit which I find cozy in an insert versus annoying and dangerous in a fireplace…

Has anyone ever seen CB on a BTU chart?
 

EatenByLimestone

Moderator
Staff member
I have not, but you can probably get a close to a number by drying and weighing a dimensioned piece of it and a same size piece of some other known btu wood. Compare the weights. It’s going to be close to something!
 

EbS-P

Minister of Fire
Jan 19, 2019
4,228
SE North Carolina
38 pounds per cu ft vs 44 for red oak. Just for comparison my long leaf pine I burn is 41 (plus all the pitch).

 

cahaak

Burning Hunk
Feb 12, 2012
124
MN Twin Cities
Buckthorn is quite dense, even when fully dried. Of course it never gets much if any bigger than 6" in diameter, but you don't have to split most of it. I clean it out and burn it since it is invasive. Given the density, I would say it is up there near oak for BTU.
 

Toasty-Yote

Member
Dec 13, 2022
44
New York
38 pounds per cu ft vs 44 for red oak. Just for comparison my long leaf pine I burn is 41 (plus all the pitch).

I came out with 49.5 lbs per cu ft based on a rectangular piece that I cut. I looked up your citation before and the comments state 'The strength numbers and mechanical data cited above is for Cascara Buckthorn' so that might explain the pretty large difference. Might be my bad math too? My piece measured 1.4375" x 3.625" x 1.875" and weighed 4.48 oz on my kitchen scale. Converted cubic inches to cubic feet by dividing by 1728 and then converted oz to pounds.

My perception is that once you factor in the modest sizes it grows to, it outperforms everything else I have got my hands on so far to include a black locust, apple, sweet birch and certainly maple.
 

EbS-P

Minister of Fire
Jan 19, 2019
4,228
SE North Carolina
I came out with 49.5 lbs per cu ft based on a rectangular piece that I cut. I looked up your citation before and the comments state 'The strength numbers and mechanical data cited above is for Cascara Buckthorn' so that might explain the pretty large difference. Might be my bad math too? My piece measured 1.4375" x 3.625" x 1.875" and weighed 4.48 oz on my kitchen scale. Converted cubic inches to cubic feet by dividing by 1728 and then converted oz to pounds.

My perception is that once you factor in the modest sizes it grows to, it outperforms everything else I have got my hands on so far to include a black locust, apple, sweet birch and certainly maple.
That number from the site was dried weight. So take 15-20% off of what you measured. (Or whatever the MC of it was. ). Seem about right.
 

Toasty-Yote

Member
Dec 13, 2022
44
New York
That number from the site was dried weight. So take 15-20% off of what you measured. (Or whatever the MC of it was. ). Seem about right.
That makes sense. Although the tree was dead when I found it, sitting on my shelf for a few months is probably not the same as kiln dried. Thanks.
 

MongoMongoson

Feeling the Heat
Feb 6, 2021
315
Wisconsin
I hate buckthorn as a weed, but it burns and coals great. It never gets much size to it. The dead stuff seems to take a long time to rot. The wood is strong and springy.

I cut it and daub the top of the stump with glyphosate. That seems to do a pretty good job of killing it forever without spraying herbicide everywhere.
 

cahaak

Burning Hunk
Feb 12, 2012
124
MN Twin Cities
Yes, if you want to get rid of it, you need to treat the cut with undiluted glyphosate, or pull the entire plant out for the smaller ones.
 

Toasty-Yote

Member
Dec 13, 2022
44
New York
Some decent rounds from this morning. The root ball rotted and the tree just dropped on its side but the trunk all the way to the bottom is rock solid and dry on the inside despite lying in the snow.

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blades

Minister of Fire
Nov 23, 2008
3,828
WI, Leroy
kinda like hornbeam btu wise, watch out for the thorns though,they can go right through the bottom of your shoe.
 
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blades

Minister of Fire
Nov 23, 2008
3,828
WI, Leroy
Had more than one flat from those thorns laying on the ground
 

blades

Minister of Fire
Nov 23, 2008
3,828
WI, Leroy
yep same
 

reaperman1

Member
Aug 7, 2022
96
Minnesota
The stuff is a royal pain. However, like many have found out its dense, burns great and is a nice looking wood once you get down to that point. I have a cousin who's a carpenter. He made a hammer handle out of buckthorn, and says its the nicest hammer he's ever had.
 
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Toasty-Yote

Member
Dec 13, 2022
44
New York
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Harvested this standing dead today in the middle of a blizzard. Hand carried it through 18” of snow and after drying out for 20 minutes in front of the blower, it’s keeping the doggo very warm and happy.