Rearscreen
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In a few weeks my '05 Tacoma with over 150,000 mi will be getting a complete new frame compliments of Toyota! I guess they are rusting out prematurely.
Done with pellets
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Ranger72
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bill-e
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I was watching the oil prices, they were down to 2.29. My threshold for turning on the furnace as primary was $2.00. I checked every couple of days. When I checked again it was 2.49 for 150gal or more so I ordered it. (I've used 267 galons supplimenting my pellets and hot water) so as of last week it was about $1475 in pellets and $640 for oil. I shutter to think what my oil bill would have been even with the droping prices in the 250yr old uninsulated farm house. When oil is over $3 a gallon I use between $3900 and $4800 depending on how much over it is.....in a normally cold year. These last two seasons it has been colder than normal and I've had pellets.
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TimfromMA
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I just traded in a 12 year old Toyota with over 300k miles only because I wanted something new. It never gave me a day of trouble
acammer
Burning Hunk
I've had a bunch of GM's, all crossed the 150,000 mile mark before they were sold on to other owners and continued in service. The current Impala in my garage has 207,000 on it, and has spent a lot of it's life lugging around my trailer with loads of stuff on it, and hauling 1,000+lbs of newspapers 6 nights a week on my commercial delivery route.
Stove and cars are a lot a like, you can have a Kia go 250,000 miles, and you can have a Mercedes give you trouble right after it rolls off the lot. Likewise, you can have trouble with a high dollar stove, and you can get a lot of mileage out of a low end stove. You get what you pay for to an extent, but there is plenty of variance within that.
Oil is coming back up, I'll be holding on to my pellet stove and it'll always be my primary heat source until it's actually cheaper to burn propane, which I wouldn't expect anytime soon/ever!
Stove and cars are a lot a like, you can have a Kia go 250,000 miles, and you can have a Mercedes give you trouble right after it rolls off the lot. Likewise, you can have trouble with a high dollar stove, and you can get a lot of mileage out of a low end stove. You get what you pay for to an extent, but there is plenty of variance within that.
Oil is coming back up, I'll be holding on to my pellet stove and it'll always be my primary heat source until it's actually cheaper to burn propane, which I wouldn't expect anytime soon/ever!
Very well known issue for about 4-5 years of the model run. Resale prices for the affected years are in the gutter.
Glad to see Toyota is taking care of the problem for you. I didn't have the same luck with making them buy back a 91 Cressida that had paint damage from day one. They verbally promised me a new car and it didn't show up. The Better Business Association arbitrator made them buy it back after me driving it for free for almost a year. Have had a sour taste for Toyota ever since.
Pete Zahria
Minister of Fire
Probly the same ones that thought there would be a glut of pellets in March....
Those thinking that the oil prices are going to stay low, are dreamin'......
TimfromMA
Minister of Fire
Come on peeps, dump those stoves since we all know oil prices will stay low forever so I can pick up a used one cheap for my lower level.
home and hearth. Parts take forever and while the service technician is good, the service manager is asleep at the switch.
hyfire
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Pete Zahria
Minister of Fire
That may hold true today but before Harmons were popular there was Whitfield, mine is still cranking 24/7 6 month's out the year for 17 years now!Harmans are the BEST STOVE EVER!
Seriously though, surprised too see all these troubles. As far as the reviews, I haven't seen many bad ones unless I missed them. Maybe they rolled off the front page with all the people posting problems with their Harmans
Husky
Feeling the Heat
Harmons are the Chinese model. Make sure to get the Harman, much better.
Bioburner
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Harman stoves are a problem of their own making. They need so little daily,weekly maintenance that owners often neglect them till problems arise. I pushed mine hoping to get to weekend for a full hopper to vent termination cleaning and it started producing heavy soot
So at -14 this morning I was powering a brush down the vent and carefully cleaning the ESP.
How many propain furnace owners do a annual furnace cleaning and inspection until "why's it so cold in here?"
So at -14 this morning I was powering a brush down the vent and carefully cleaning the ESP.How many propain furnace owners do a annual furnace cleaning and inspection until "why's it so cold in here?"
Peterfield
Minister of Fire
Probly the same ones that thought there would be a glut of pellets in March....
Those thinking that the oil prices are going to stay low, are dreamin'......
Lemmings will always chase the price so yes, pellet stoves sales will abound this spring/summer. There were just two post for p-series Harman's for $1200 and $1400 respectively, both in NH.
There is a shortage of cheap pellets for sure but a plethora of ads are starting to appear from little capitalists selling Green Supreme's for $7/bag, Energex for $8 /bag, Gold Infernos and Blazers and Firesides for $7/bag, and Okie DF's for $395/ton. Several other brands for around $8/ bag, etc. There are ads in Maine, Mass, NH, and VT. They say their stove broke, they ordered too much, they are moving, they are switching to NG, propane, oil, yada, yada, yada.
On the cheap side, today HD Keene has 44 tons at $4.98 a bag, another has Fireside Ultras, TSC's have Equine pellets for $5/bag, all day long. A little effort goes a long way.
GeHmTS
Feeling the Heat
Nat gas, and instead of buying a new stove contraption I will get use the money to buy a new gas boiler hot water heater etc. I am on oil at the moment.
Pellet stove is beyond repair so I will use oil to get through the rest of winter. Nothing else to be done. Ton of pellets here needs a home too!
Pete Zahria
Minister of Fire
Both HD's, the Lowes, and the TSC are all out here, (horsie stuff too).....
at least early this morning..
Lowes did have 44T it went in a day and a half.....
Different areas have different situations.
Within our state.
Harman stoves are a problem of their own making. They need so little daily,weekly maintenance that owners often neglect them till problems arise. I pushed mine hoping to get to weekend for a full hopper to vent termination cleaning and it started producing heavy soot
How many propain furnace owners do a annual furnace cleaning and inspection until "why's it so cold in here?"
i will say burning super premium has made the difference for me. Since ive been burning spruce pointes exclusively this season, I haven't had to touch a thing. I yanked the stove out of the fireplace after burning my first ton, and there was nothing in the liner and the combustion blower barely had a coating of fly ash on it. The stove has been running so hard that it barely leaves
anything behind. All I do is dump the ash pan and clean the glass. that's it.
Phoenix Hatchling
Minister of Fire
Harman stoves are a problem of their own making. They need so little daily,weekly maintenance that owners often neglect them till problems arise. I pushed mine hoping to get to weekend for a full hopper to vent termination cleaning and it started producing heavy soot
How many propain furnace owners do a annual furnace cleaning and inspection until "why's it so cold in here?"
I did this yesterday, and the renewed and jacked up heat level never ceases to amaze me!
Bioburner
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First ton was out the exhaust by end of November. Stove normally gets done every three weeks and the venting if normal weather would have made it till spring easy with a after shoulder season cleaning but who thought we would have snow in every state in the lower 48 this week?
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