Englander 13-nc or 30-nc

[tray1215]

We bought a brick 1970 ranch less than a year ago, it had an Ashley slammer in it. We have an outside chimney with a clay liner. We plan on installing a new 6" flex insulated liner and a 13-nc or 30-nc. It will be a tight fit if we go with the 30-nc, but I think we can make it work. Our house is 1922 sq ft with a crawl space, pretty tight and a long rectangle. The fireplace is on one side of the house, in the living room that is open to the kitchen and dining room. Then on the other side is a long hallway with three bedrooms and two bathrooms. There is also a small hallway off the living room that leads to a couple of utility closests, laundry room and another large bedroom. We have a new propane furnace, but we want to cut down on propane use. Will the 30-nc be too hot for us in the living room? I understand it's going to be hard to heat our bedrooms since they are on the other side of the house. We also have ceiling fans in most rooms and we have 8' ceilings. Which one should we go with? Thanks!

 

[slayer7]

Well, I have the insert version of the 13-NC, a comparable 1960-era ranch house and a similar chimney setup. I'm not sure of the winter conditions in Indiana but I would guess they are about the same as CT. Overall, the 13-NC size model has been adequate once I replaced our old drafty windows, tightened up the insulation and cut down on air leaks. The blower on the insert model however really helps in getting the warm air circulating and we put small desk-sized fans on the floor at the far ends of the house which directs the cool air back to the stove while drawing the heat to these areas. In the dead of winter when the temp occasionally falls into the single digits, I find myself wishing for a larger stove because it has trouble keeping up but is otherwise an adequate heater. If you're not considering a blower and/or have longer periods of harshly cold weather, you might want to consider the larger model. Also, I believe their new Madison stove sits in the middle of these 2 models size-wise. Might be worth a look as well.

 

[gregbesia]

I second what Slayer has said. I also have the same insert and wish for a bigger stove. I'm really tired of e-w only loading and no overnight burn. Do yourself a favor and get something larger. Don't get me wrong , 13 is a good stove and has performed well for us, but if you want to heat your house with wood only , go larger. Good luck.

 

[Jags]

1900 sqft is getting to the end of the performance spectrum of the 13 in my opinion. The 30 is a heating beast. You might be well served by taking a look at the Madison (as stated above) for an in between version of the two.

The 30 is up for the task, but your comfort level may depend on how well you can distribute the heat.

 

[tray1215]

I found a Pacific Energy Super 27 in excellent condition with blower close by, how does this compare to the 30 and 13? Also, they are asking $800 obo, is this a good deal?

 

[tray1215]

The Super 27 is 6 years old.

 

[Dix]

The 13 is an awesome heater. It's downfall is 4 - 6 hour burn times. Love mine, it's heated 2000 SF when the PE was down and out. It took shifts, but it got the job done with seasoned firewood.

Consider fire box size... the bigger the box, the longer the heat out put.
Welcome to the forums !!

 

[BrotherBart]

Love my 30-NC but the PE Super 27 is famous for being their longest burning stove and a good heater. And built like a lil tank. You won't go wrong either way if the 27 has been well cared for.

 

[Grisu]

The Super is a top-vent; would that fit into your fireplace? How tall is it?

Great stove, I have the insert version and love it. However, I only try to heat 1300 sqft with it. 1900 may be pushing it unless your insulation is really good. I am not sure if the warranty can be transferred; at some point you probably have to change out the baffle which you have to pay for then.

 

[BrotherBart]

The Super is a top-vent; would that fit into your fireplace? How tall is it?

Within a knat's whisker of the same height as the 30-NC.

 

[tray1215]

Well after pulling out our slammer and measuring, we are going to have to go with the 13-nc. We are remodeling our house right now, and we plan on getting to the fireplace in a year or two, when we do that we'll make sure and increase the opening. The width is fine, but the height is a definite problem with a larger stove. Thanks for all of your responses though!

 

[Rebelduckman]

Well after pulling out our slammer and measuring, we are going to have to go with the 13-nc. We are remodeling our house right now, and we plan on getting to the fireplace in a year or two, when we do that we'll make sure and increase the opening. The width is fine, but the height is a definite problem with a larger stove. Thanks for all of your responses though!

You'll love the 13 but I'm partial I guess since I have one. I can get 6-7 hours with good seasoned oak and hickory. 10 hours+ would be nice but the 30 would run us out

 

[begreen]

I would also consider the Englander Madison. It falls right between the 13NC and 30NC for size and it just requires an ember protection only hearth.

 

[BrotherBart]

This for a fireplace. The Madison won't fit. It is 35" tall.

 

[tray1215]

Yeah, we have to cut 1" off the 13-nc legs the way it is.

 

[begreen]

Ah ok. I thought you might be tapping in above the damper area with the taller stove. The Madison sits on a pedestal so that won't work.

 

[slayer7]

Go with the insert version, you won't have to cut off anything and it comes with a blower.