Froling S3 Turbo versus Econoburn

Adirondacker 62 Posted By Adirondacker 62, Dec 28, 2017 at 6:51 PM

  1. salecker

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    I would love to see the solar part.That is my next project i want to add solar collection to my system.
     
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    They will start next week and I’ll get some pictures.
     
  3. TCaldwell

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    What company is doing the install?
     
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    The radiant store out of the capital district is doing the install. Ben has got the 1000 liter tanks positioned, insulated, and has begun the piping.
    I have been doing the jack hammering for the incoming solar lines and access to the chimney. I have to go through 22” of masonry to get to the chimney and then a 6” ID (ceramic?) pipe goes in. My problem is how do I seal that pipe in the wall and chimney when the pipe itself is in the way? I have to do something to stop air from getting in the flue around the outside of the pipe.
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  5. maple1

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    No isolation valves? I put them almost everywhere, starting at all the tank ports.

    Interesting looking tanks. Are those a Froling product? Or? Looks like they give up a bit of volume above the top ports - but maybe there is internal piping too (dips or risers). Looks like they fit the space pretty good though.
     
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  6. salecker

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    Hopefully they will store equal heat in each tank they way they are plumbed.
    My system was designed where tank #1 is teed from 11/2 line,then tank 2 is fed from a 11/4 line from the tee and the return goes to tank 2 with 11/2 with a t and 11/4 to tank 1
    This configuration makes sure that the charging and depletion of the tanks is almost exactly equal.Last year i added temp gauges after 71/2 years of running,and by George it works.
     

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  7. maple1

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    Reverse return is a pretty simple way to bring balance also, piping can stay same size.
     
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    The tanks have 2 coils each, baffles, and internal piping. They are StorMaxx-CTEK tanks from SunMaxx solar hot water solutions. Made in Germany. 13 ports per tank.
     
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  9. Chris Hoskin

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    Glad to hear you've connected with The Radiant Store. You are in good hands with Terry and his crew. Looking forward to seeing more pictures as the project comes together.
     
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    Yes, I am fortunate to have Terry and Co putting this together for me. They came highly recommended and now that the job is started, I know why.
    The solar panels and piping were dropped off today so we are getting closer. The Froling S3, coupled with the solar hot water and storage is going to make my life here on the farm much easier. I plan to take full advantage of this state of the art technology.
     
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    Ken and Fin installed the solar panels yesterday. IMG_6305.JPG
     
  12. Chris Hoskin

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    looking good! Reminds me of a solar design class I took back in the day - it was pointed out that when PV panels get hot their output goes down. One of the students asked, naturally, "why not put them in the shade then?". :)
     
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    Makes sense to me! You probably have forgotten more than I’ll ever know about this but for those who are interested in solar energy, these panels don’t produce electricity, but hot water instead. They are commercial grade and with this configuration, a 20 degree gain is realized, ( on average) no matter what the input temperature is of the circulating glycol. More panels means more gain. The latest technology in design of the panels themselves along with computer controlled components integrated into the solar system coupled with the computer controlled variable speed boiler pump allows this hybrid system to realize a heat gain where only a few years ago, this was not possible in this part of the country. Parameters are established during initial start up by input to the computer by the installer and allows the system to heat the stratified 1000 liter buffer tanks in the most efficient way. Depending on conditions and load, the system will be able to heat either the tops of the tanks or the bottoms. They have thought of everything. Work on the solar end continues this week and we expect the froling s3 turbo boiler by week’s end coming from Tarm in New Hampshire.
     
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  14. maple1

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    All very interesting, I will be watching this one to wherever it ends up at.

    Do you know the brand or manufacturer of the panels? There is a place here that has been making them for decades, I think they are at the top of the solar thermal game. (But maybe not alone up there).

    EDIT: I have wondered before why I haven't seen or heard of liquid cooled PV panels - should be a 'best of two worlds' solution?
     
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