got the top red last night. now i have a question

[monkey brains]

i had some manzanita in our wood pile. so i tossed a few pieces into the stove and i guess i let it get a bit hot before i shut the damper. we had the lights down and were just chilling in the livingroom. well, we started to smell the paint burn and in the dark you could see a circle in the center of the top that had a deep red glow.

so i have two questions; 1. what temp gets the top red? 900? 2. how the heck do i cool the stove down at that point?

i'm not sure i want to hear about any damage i caused.

 

[BrowningBAR]

i had some manzanita in our wood pile. i guess i let it get a bit hot before i shut the damper. we had the lights down and were just chilling in the livingroom. well, we started to smell the paint burn and in the dark you could see a circle in the center of the top that had a deep red glow.

so i have two questions; 1. what temp gets the top red? 900? 2. how the heck do i cool the stove down at that point?

i'm not sure i want to hear about any damage i caused.

1. What stove is this?

2. What did your thermometer read?

 

[monkey brains]

its a regency 2100m. I'm not 100% of the model. i dont have a thermometer for the stove.

 

[stoveguy13]

if it was dark 1200 deg. if it was light in the room 1500 deg you dont normally hurt it just doing once

 

[BrowningBAR]

its a regency 2100m. I'm not 100% of the model. i dont have a thermometer for the stove.

You really need to get a thermometer on that stove.

 

[monkey brains]

its a regency 2100m. I'm not 100% of the model. i dont have a thermometer for the stove.

You really need to get a thermometer on that stove.

i guess so. any recomendations?

i did a search here and read that i could open the door or the damper to cool down the stove but that seems counter intuative.

 

[Stump_Branch]

Regency is a 1/4 thick top no?

I dont think you hurt it, wasnt there though. Heating metal fatigues it. Over time can and will fail. Check near weld seams and such. These areas saw intense heat when welded and make for a good first check spot. Typically the base metal near the weld fails before the weld, but that depends on who welded it.

You need to monitor whats going on with the stove. Best case you break it, worst you burn the house down. Thermos are a big help.

 

[oldspark]

if it was dark 1200 deg. if it was light in the room 1500 deg you dont normally hurt it just doing once

Where did yu read that, a quick google search comes up with 752 °F in the dark.

 

[Stump_Branch]

its a regency 2100m. I'm not 100% of the model. i dont have a thermometer for the stove.

You really need to get a thermometer on that stove.

i guess so. any recomendations?

i did a search here and read that i could open the door or the damper to cool down the stove but that seems counter intuative.

You send heat up the flue rather than keep it in the stove. Yes counter intuative to how a stove works, but same as say open fireplace.

 

[monkey brains]

Regency is a 1/4 thick top no?

I dont think you hurt it, wasnt there though. Heating metal fatigues it. Over time can and will fail. Check near weld seams and such. These areas saw intense heat when welded and make for a good first check spot. Typically the base metal near the weld fails before the weld, but that depends on who welded it.

You need to monitor whats going on with the stove. Best case you break it, worst you burn the house down. Thermos are a big help.

the area that became red was not close to any welds. i hear you on having to keep an eye on it. that manzanita got real hot and continued to build heat after i shut the stove down. normaly i burn live or black oak and i've never seen the stove continue to heat up like that after i damped it down. usualy i need to leave it open to generate that kind of heat.

 

[Ratherbfishin]

I sort of did the same thing last night...put a load of very seasoned silver maple in, opened up the primary to get it going good before backing it down. Well I got side tracked and left the air wide open for about 20 min. I walked into the 90 degree living room and could smell almost a perfume like smell. Realized what was going on and quickly opened the door to cool her off. The stove top itself wasn't glowing but the secondary tubes were orange. I too do not have a thermometer on the stove...I think I know when the fire is optimum and when it isn't but I acknowledge I should have a couple. I'm indecisive is all...so many different types and opinions on each.( there has been many,many posts and discussions on thermometers and placement). The ultimate is an IR if you can swing the cash...I suppose I need to just get one or two...better than nothing same for you I would guess.

Steve

 

[stoveguy13]

if it was dark 1200 deg. if it was light in the room 1500 deg you dont normally hurt it just doing once

Where did yu read that, a quick google search comes up with 752 °F in the dark.

it will depend on what we are calling glowing red but yes you are correct you could see some red at that temp in the dark i assumed we were talking about it being cherry red and gave a general number

 

[Bub381]

I have turned the 2ndary tubes red but nothing too hot on the stove top.

 

[rwhite]

Don't know about most people but I have never gotten close to overfire when I run full open. In fact I open full and turn on blower full to cool it down. If I forget to close the damper it seems all I do is reach about 600 and waste alot of wood quick. My danger point is 1/2 damper. If I wait to long to shut it down the stove can really get crankin.

 

[realstihl]

I've not heard of that wood before. Native to Ca. ??

 

[rwhite]

I've not heard of that wood before. Native to Ca. ??

Found across the southwest as well, usually in scrub oak chapparal climates. It can vary from a shrub in drier climates to 12-18" trees when it has moisture. It does burn hot. Much like other desert scrub they contain a lot of oils and when volitalized essentially become gasoline. Quite a site to see a hillside explode during a wildfire.

 

[Battenkiller]

if it was dark 1200 deg. if it was light in the room 1500 deg you dont normally hurt it just doing once

Where did yu read that, a quick google search comes up with 752 °F in the dark.

Really? I thought it was up near 900 in a darkened room. I get my griddle top up above 750 for a brief period almost every day and I've never seen it glow.

I have had a spot on my left cast door glow faintly in the dark. I shot it with the IR and it was well over 1000. The glow was not noticeable at all in dim light, but my smoking pant legs tipped me off, so I turned the lights off and there it was. A little freaky, but no harm was done to the door. Best thing about the old VC stoves is that they had just about the best cast iron going.

 

[monkey brains]

I've not heard of that wood before. Native to Ca. ??

Yep, native. I have a some on the property that are 6-8" dbh. When I over fired the stove I had 3 or 4 pieces that were 4" in diameter and 16" long. I burned a few pieces tonight and the secondary tubes got red.

I wanted to clarify that the stove got red hot with the damper shut. It built up to that temp over 20-30 min.

 

[oldspark]

if it was dark 1200 deg. if it was light in the room 1500 deg you dont normally hurt it just doing once

Where did yu read that, a quick google search comes up with 752 °F in the dark.

Really? I thought it was up near 900 in a darkened room. I get my griddle top up above 750 for a brief period almost every day and I've never seen it glow.

I have had a spot on my left cast door glow faintly in the dark. I shot it with the IR and it was well over 1000. The glow was not noticeable at all in dim light, but my smoking pant legs tipped me off, so I turned the lights off and there it was. A little freaky, but no harm was done to the door. Best thing about the old VC stoves is that they had just about the best cast iron going.

From the horse's mouth https://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/wiki/Temperature_when_metal_glows_red/

 

[realstihl]

I've not heard of that wood before. Native to Ca. ??

Yep, native. I have a some on the property that are 6-8" dbh. When I over fired the stove I had 3 or 4 pieces that were 4" in diameter and 16" long. I burned a few pieces tonight and the secondary tubes got red.

I wanted to clarify that the stove got red hot with the damper shut. It built up to that temp over 20-30 min.

I burn mostly hedge, but this suff sound really potent. Does it make for long burns?

 

[pen]

I thought it was 752K or about 894°F

pen

 

[pen]

I think the wiki is wrong. This chart is more reasonable.

http://www.marshallarts.co.za/temptable.htm

pen

 

[oldspark]

The chart I posted was from Hearth.com :lol:

 

[monkey brains]

I've not heard of that wood before. Native to Ca. ??

Yep, native. I have a some on the property that are 6-8" dbh. When I over fired the stove I had 3 or 4 pieces that were 4" in diameter and 16" long. I burned a few pieces tonight and the secondary tubes got red.

I wanted to clarify that the stove got red hot with the damper shut. It built up to that temp over 20-30 min.

I burn mostly hedge, but this suff sound really potent. Does it make for long burns?

it does not burn for as long as oak but longer than incense cedar. similar burn time to ponderosa pine. manzanita wood is very dense and as mentioned, full of volitile oils. when a wild fire gets into a patch on a steep slope it can be a real show. you do not want this stuff close to your house if you live in area with a danger of wildfires.

i believe madrone is similar. although i have never burned it in my stove.

 

[Battenkiller]

I thought it was 752K or about 894°F

pen

Pen, I think you might be correct from a purely quantum physics point of view, but whether or not we can actually perceive it as visible light can't be precisely defined, because whether or not we can see it is really a matter of a combination of both the ambient light in the room and our own individual vision limitations. To give just one example, as we get older our pupils lose their ability to dilate like when we were younger. That means it will be harder to see a glowing object in a darkened room.

My feeling is that if you are seeing anything outside the stove glowing, something needs to be remedied. It may be the stove, the flue, the fuel, or (most likely) the human at the controls. And if for no other reason than the fact that stove clearances are not determined using a red hot stove. Just a few hundred degrees above the highest temp tested could reduce real world clearances by half or more.