Haywood Pool Pump - Trapped Air & bubbles in the leaf trap?

[Don2222]

Hello - Oh No - Bubbles in the Bug Basket!
Has anyone had the problem of trapped air or air bubbles in the pool pump leaf trap?
I noticed it this year and I could not get rid of the trapped air?
There are no air bubbles going into the pool in the return line so it is not that bad but from my experience, I know it is not right and not good for the pump motor.
I used pool Lube on the ends of the hose that went from the skimmer to the pool pump it did actually help the issue by making a better seal.
Still not like it used to be, see pics 1-2
Then I found the culprit. The pump plug was dripping water very slightly! So I tried tighten it with a slotted screw driver and snap!! The head broke off and it was leaking more! When I turned the pump on, I could really see it sucking in air! There was a lot more air in the pump gasket! Luckily the local pool supply has a pack of 2 for this Haywood pool pump!
I lubed it up with the pool Lube and bingo after putting the new plug in and tighten it snug but not over tighten the problem was completely resolved! Fixed!

Pic 1&2 - Air & bubbles in the pool pump leaf trap
Pic 3 - broken plug
Pic 4 - New plugs
Pic 5 - new plug installed
Pic 6 - No more bubbles!

 

[fbelec]

it's just about the end of the pool season but i have a little air in the basket this year was not that way in past years. thanks for the hint i will rebuild everything this end of the year. mine is also spiting out sand into the pool. when i put new sand in the filter everthing seemed ok. it happened last year too. covers for the winter seem to be my biggest headache. just can't seem to keep water in the pool after a winter. the rain and melted snow tend to push the water out. so i put a hose from the lowest hole which is my return, that didn't do it. i put a hose from my supply to my return that didn't do it. there is no leak from my liner. i just keep siphoning the water on top of the pool cover out when i can. pool pillows are a joke i get maybe a year out of a pillow and it's junk. i'm doing everything the cover says to do but think that is useless also

 

[Don2222]

Did you try putting a pvc ball valve on the skimmer and closing it for the winter?
Also to fix the sand issue you may need a new spider gasket?
See link to spider gasket replacement here

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[fbelec]

no but i had a hose from the water inlet to the pool from the filter hooked to the skimmer and i it jus let the dirty water from the top of the cover to the water in the pool that is usually crystal clear and smells like the shock i put in at the end of the the year before. i just can't win. i think the cover has a hole in it but i can't find it. it seem to be big enough to let in leaves. i am so cafeful pulling it out not to lets the top water find its way into the pool. the covers can't take to much sun. it acts like a cheap tarp on top of the wood it just delaminates. right now i have two other covers covering pallets of wood one of the covers is junk.

 

[lamywaby]

Hello - Oh No - Bubbles in the Bug Basket!
Has anyone had the problem of trapped air or air bubbles in the pool pump leaf trap?
I noticed it this year and I could not get rid of the trapped air?
There are no air bubbles going into the pool in the return line so it is not that bad but from my experience, I know it is not right and not good for the pump motor.
I used pool Lube on the ends of the hose that went from the skimmer to the pool pump it did actually help the issue by making a better seal.
Still not like it used to be, see pics 1-2
Then I found the culprit. The pump plug was dripping water very slightly! So I tried tighten it with a slotted screw driver and snap!! The head broke off and it was leaking more! When I turned the pump on, I could really see it sucking in air! There was a lot more air in the pump gasket! Luckily the local pool supply has a pack of 2 for this Haywood pool pump!
I lubed it up with the pool Lube and bingo after putting the new plug in and tighten it snug but not over tighten the problem was completely resolved! Fixed!

Pic 1&2 - Air & bubbles in the pool pump leaf trap
Pic 3 - broken plug
Pic 4 - New plugs
Pic 5 - new plug installed
Pic 6 - No more bubbles!

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The basket isn't completely filled. I can see the horizontal "column" of water entering the basket from the inlet pipe (supply is 1.5", exit is 2"). I'm not talking bubbles like from cavitation, it's just not filled and is stable like this while running.
Skimmer looks well filled, if anything pool level is too high (recent rains). It seems unlikely air's entering from there and the air condition is not intermittent.
I checked that the basket cover is well seated on clean o-ring.
I estimate pump is 22' from pool. Pool has single bottom drain and single skimmer on end of pool nearest pump.
Pump seems pretty noisy too.

Is the pump too big for the inlet plumbing? I've been considering reducing to 3/4 HP SF 1.27 or even SF 1.
Any thoughts on what's going on or what to check.
Thanks so much for your help!

 

[Ashful]

I'd guess any air leak upstream of the pump is going to cause air to enter the system and appear in the pump basket.

My first summer with a pool, and I'm really sweating closing this year, as any freezing or cracking any of my skimmer or return components means jackhammer and heavy equipment. It's an above-ground pool product, but set into a patio and built into a hillside, as a rather complicated semi-inground.

 

[Rob711]

You could run a garden hose just above a trickle over every connection starting at the front of the pump, if there is a leak the bubbles will go away with the water. Or close it and worry about it in the spring!

 

[vbu]

covers for the winter seem to be my biggest headache. just can't seem to keep water in the pool after a winter.

I use a cheap cover pump, turns on and off by itself. If you get it in the right spot it'll pump down all the water from the cover without moving it around. I leave it plugged in all winter. The first year it was a pain in the butt due to the 'filter' aka a piece of foam in it. It would always clog up. I've left it out for several years now and it hasn't hurt the little pump

 

[Ashful]

I have a permeable cover, and the pool co actually told me to leave some water on it, to keep it from flapping in the breeze. Only pump it down if it starts to get too deep, whatever "too deep" means. The cover lays on the water, snaps into a track around the pool coping, with a perimeter skirt that follows the line of the pool wall down to the water.

I'm guessing the goal is to keep the water atop the cover still slightly below the skimmer, but as we can get up to 3 feet of snow in a single storm on very rare occasions, and 6 inches to 1 foot pretty commonly, I'm guessing this first winter is going to be a learning experience.

 

[vbu]

Interesting. To me that sounds like a guarantee for green water when you open it back up in the spring, unless the water only goes from the pool on to the cover and not the other way around? One year I didn't keep up with the pump and quit using it, and the water on top of the cover was green. It's always a major pita to get that water off the cover, without getting it in your pool. Even the slightest little bit of green water in your pool will make it look terrible. After that, I've kept up with the pump and have had clear water since. The only chemicals we used this year has been chlorine and baking soda to bring the Ph level up.

Also, it's very deceiving as to how much water is actually on top of that cover. 1" of water is a massive amount.

What procedure are you supposed to follow to open your pool back up in the spring?

Dealing with the stupid cover every winter has me not ever wanting an above ground pool ever again, it'll be an inground pool at the next house, or no pool at all. They make really nice covers for the above ground ones, that you can even walk on (kid safety thing)

 

[Ashful]

This is in-ground, but modular with coping like an above ground, hiding under the patio paver coping. I may switch to a trampoline cover in the future, anchored into the patio. But this came with the pool package, so it's the plan for now.

We'll see how things go in spring. I do know I'll be opening it before the water gets up to 65F, as that's where you want chlorine and pumps running, so we'll likely be opening it a few weeks before the weather is warm enough to have anyone interested in using it. That should give some time to get things right, even if it's sour when we first pull the cover.

1" of water on this pool is around 300 gallons, not terrible in the scheme of a pump that can do a few GPM, but not nothing.

 

[vbu]

Oh okay I gotcha. Much nicer than the setup I'm dealing with.

Yeah, you think the last little bit of water is nothing, so you just jump in real quick and lift the cover out. Be careful doing that, as it may be much heavier than you anticipated and you may end up tearing up your cover, ask me how I know...

 

[Ashful]

I’ve decided that the day you deflate and pack away all the pool toys, and prepare for closing, is the second most depressing day of the year.

January 2nd is still my front-runner, though.

 

[Ashful]

Hey guys, first winter with a pool, here. The manufacturers of each piece of equipment (pump, heat pump, filter) recommend moving the stuff indoors for winter. But I'm really not interested in undoing all the hard wiring and giving up a lot of indoor space for storing this crap.

I was thinking of building a simple knock-down shed, that I could assemble over and around the equipment pad each winter. Easy enough, I have similar for some of the tractor implements I choose to store outdoors. But I'm struggling with what roof to put on the stupid thing. Corrugated sheet metal roofing is light, but hell on bare hands and clothing when moving, and it gets dinged up way too easy. Asphalt is both to heavy and too delicate for transport and storage. Polycarbonate corrugated panels might work, no experience with those. Likewise, a rubber membrane over 3/8" plywood might make a nice light and durable roof.

Ideas? She is roughly 7 feet wide x 4 feet deep, with the roof slope in the 4 ft. direction. In other words, one of the 7 ft wide walls is taller than the other, the two 4 ft wide walls are the gables.

 

[Ashful]

Answering my own question, but just remembering I have a bunch of fiberglass left over from the last boat rebuild, I think I may make the roof sheathing from 1/4" luan covered in glass and resin. Tough, light, waterproof!