How is a Drolet heat commander supposed to work?

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fields_mj

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I installed a new heat commander this fall. I'm trying to work through an issue with one of the servo motors on the grate draft with their tech support (great folks). Along the way though, I've learned more about the unit and now I'm wondering exactly how I'm supposed to use the unit. I have it feeding into the duct work in my central air system. According to the manual, I'm supposed to build a fire in it and then let it burn down to almost nothing before reloading. When the house thermostat calls for heat, and the unit has heat available, the blower is supposed to kick on at its lowest speed and supply heat to the house. The manual also says that when the little green light is flashing slow or on solid, the unit thinks it has heat that it can supply. What I learned today is that the green light is tied to a thermocouple in the stove, but the blower won't actually kick on until the RTD temp probe reads at least 130 deg F in the plenum. Even with a big fire, the unit seems to have a really hard time reaching, let alone maintaining this temperature in the plenum. With a BIG bed of red hot coals, the surface temp on the plenum is only about 110 deg F. The unit itself gets plenty hot. It has no problem self cleaning any creosote build up off the glass on the door (+450 deg according to tech support). I have a barometric damper, and I measured the draft to be about 0.05" WC. Another thing that I learned from tech support is that the furnace will take at least an hour to get up to temp and allow the blower to kick on, and could take a lot longer (up to 4 hours), and its expected to have to reload the furnace with wood before reaching temp when starting a new fire.

If the fire box is hotter than 450 deg, and the plenum isn't reaching the minimum 130 deg, how is the unit ever supposed to pump hot air through out the house? I'm half tempted to run a 6" duct with a damper over to my cold air return in order to actually get some heat moving through out the house. I know its not a Kumma, but the furnace does seem to have a good following so I must be missing something somewhere, or doing something wrong.
 
Well....unfortunately I've been a member for years, however had to re-register. I have a Caddy Advanced and had the same issues as yourself. You can relocate the thermocouple for the blower and if the motherboard is the same, adjust the speed of the main blower. Id start with relocating the thermocouple on the back of the furnace just above the heat exchanger. I'm heating a hefty home so I've done few more with my furnace.
 
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Well....unfortunately I've been a member for years, however had to re-register. I have a Caddy Advanced and had the same issues as yourself. You can relocate the thermocouple for the blower and if the motherboard is the same, adjust the speed of the main blower. Id start with relocating the thermocouple on the back of the furnace just above the heat exchanger. I'm heating a hefty home so I've done few more with my furnace.
That makes sense. Thinking more about my setup, I have a back draft damper on the connection to the hot air plenum for the central air system. I'm thinking that is basically stopping my air flow and not allowing the air in the plenum to pull heat off the fire box like it normally would. Having said that, when the blower DOES kick on (only once or twice max if at all during a burn) it only takes a couple minutes for the plenum temp to drop below the 105 deg shutoff. I think that may be mostly related to an issue I'm having with the grate damper, which SBI is helping me with. Maybe I'll add a small vent to the basement to create some air flow in the plenum and see what effect that has. I'm on the small side with regards to the surface area of my outlet anyway. Worse case, if I don't like the result, I take it off and put a plate over it.
 
Well....unfortunately I've been a member for years, however had to re-register. I have a Caddy Advanced and had the same issues as yourself. You can relocate the thermocouple for the blower and if the motherboard is the same, adjust the speed of the main blower. Id start with relocating the thermocouple on the back of the furnace just above the heat exchanger. I'm heating a hefty home so I've done few more with my furnace.
Why'd you have to re-register? That sucks, as you are a long time member!
 
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Maybe I'll add a small vent to the basement to create some air flow in the plenum and see what effect that has. I'm on the small side with regards to the surface area of my outlet anyway. Worse case, if I don't like the result, I take it off and put a plate over it.
Have you checked the static pressure in your duct work? When I had my Caddy there were some guidelines for duct pressure. If it's not in the manual, I'm sure SBI would be able to answer the question.
 
I believe the manual states static pressure in duct work should be at least .2 IWC. To measure accurately you put one line in the blower housing box (to account for air filter restrictions) and one line in your plenum or in the ductwork close to the plenum. I doubt that is your problem though. I've tempararily run my system at .1 IWC before without an issue.

My Heat Commander blower turns on about 10 minutes after starting a fire with a cold start. If I do a terrible job building a fire it might take a half hour for the blower to kick on. No idea where they pulled the 1-4hr warm up time from, unless they are accounting for a poorly built fire that just smolders for 4 hours.

I have the most heat available while the fire is actively burning and there are visible flames. As long as there are active flames I always have heat available. There is less heat available once it gets to coaling stages. Assuming the thermostat is calling for heat, the blower will remain on until probably the last hour or so of the burn. During the last hour the blower will have to cycle on/off due to lack of available heat. If my thermostat was calling for heat the entire duration of the burn, from a cold start, 20lbs of oak would probably last 3 hours.

Something isn't adding up if you have a hot fire and your plenum is not getting up to temp. Either something is blocking the heat from reaching the plenum, or the hot air in the plenum is being moved elsewhere before it has time to reach the desired temp. Does your ductwork have a natural draft to it? Does air come out the registers when the blower is off but the furnace is hot?

Also, make sure your baffle plates above the secondary air injection tubes are in the right spot and seated properly. I seemed to lose a lot of heat when mine were pushed all the way forward by accident.
 
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@Laynes6999 how does the new Caddy compare to the old one?
Ehhh....I'm still on the fence. Relocating the blower thermocouple and turning up the speed improved things drastically. I think the older model burned longer and produced more heat, but that's due to no under fire air. When it gets much colder, ill close off the air intakes by a 1/3rd or so and it helps not to push all heat out the chimney. I used to be picky about it, but life is too busy to worry.
 
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Something definately does not seem right. With my heat commander i can turn the thermostat off and load it up and have blower cycling for 7-10 hours depending on wood type followed by 6-8 more of coals with heat radiating through my vents. I like burning that way if the temps are warm enough as i like to just load it up and let it heat rather than load for temp, yes i use more wood this way but i dont mind. I can get 12-14 hours straight of blower run time with the thermostat on and i get obviously more heat that way for colder weather. Is it the right way to do things? Probabaly not but life is hectic and it keeps a fire going and i never have to cold start it
 
That makes sense. Thinking more about my setup, I have a back draft damper on the connection to the hot air plenum for the central air system. I'm thinking that is basically stopping my air flow and not allowing the air in the plenum to pull heat off the fire box like it normally would. Having said that, when the blower DOES kick on (only once or twice max if at all during a burn) it only takes a couple minutes for the plenum temp to drop below the 105 deg shutoff. I think that may be mostly related to an issue I'm having with the grate damper, which SBI is helping me with. Maybe I'll add a small vent to the basement to create some air flow in the plenum and see what effect that has. I'm on the small side with regards to the surface area of my outlet anyway. Worse case, if I don't like the result, I take it off and put a plate over it.
That doesn't sound right at all...it might cycle on/off a few times after a cold start, but once the fire is stabile, the blower should run non stop pretty much until the house thermostat is satisfied, or the plenum temp drops too far.
And even when the Tstat is satisfied, the blower still cycles on/off at about a 50/50 ratio, depending on wood load size/wood left.
Just FYI, there are 2 thermocouples in the firebox, 1 in the firebox (behind that shield in the LR corner, and another right above it, but above the baffle board. (which those should be cleaned every now and again too...just brushed off)
If the grate damper is not working right I bet that can affect things a lot...although I think its only open when the fire is building up (new load) and then again once the load is getting pretty well burnt down (coal burn down)
I don't worry about that whole thing they say with loading log cabin style, then burn down completely before reloads...that's just for people that don't know how to run a modern wood stove properly...load it however you want that takes off and builds a nice fire, then reload when there is just enough coals to relight the load without messing with it much. If there are too many coals left you should be able to rake them onto the grate and get some heat from them while they burn up...then do your load. Or, if you don't need to load a huge load, just throw a few splits in on the ("too large") coal pile and be on your way...it shouldn't "go nuclear" with a small load like that, especially since you have a baro damper.
 
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I can fit about 6 splits into my firebox at once when I load it. It seems to take about 10 hrs before its died down enough that it wouldn't be putting out much heat. I still think that I'm not getting hardly any airflow in the plenum so its acting like an insulator and not hearing up the RTD probe. When I load the fire box, it will end up smoking the glass up pretty good but within an hour to two, it's crystal clear again. I measured a couple of fresh splits at 19% moisture content. Not great, but it is below 20%. And with a good load burning, I can feel a lot of heat coming off of the furnace. Its just not quite getting the RTD probe hot enough. I'll definitely move it lower this weekend as well.

I also notice that if I back the wing nut off some on the ash pan door, just enough to barely crack the door open, it makes a HUGE difference in how much flame I'm getting off a bed of coals. I would have thought that with the servo running all the time, and the grate tamper opening all the way and falling closed every 3-4 sec, I'd be getting a LOT of air coming up through the grate, but it doesn't seem like I am. Cracking open the ash pan door a millimeter shouldn't increase the amount of air available by that much. That also has me confused.
 
I would have thought that with the servo running all the time, and the grate tamper opening all the way and falling closed every 3-4 sec, I'd be getting a LOT of air coming up through the grate, but it doesn't seem like I am. Cracking open the ash pan door a millimeter shouldn't increase the amount of air available by that much. That also has me confused.
Is it actually opening all the way? That takes a bit for it to "climb all those steps"
like I said earlier, the grate damper is totally closed during most of the burn...
 
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I tried many different locations for the blower probe, and found the rear worked the best for me.

Try locating the probe for the blower at the bottom right rear of the plenum. I think mines about 6 inches from the right.

I also increased my blower speed, but I have a large home and needed the extra umph.
 
Six pieces of wood to fill the HC firebox? Can you get a picture of a fresh reload? Seems like that would have to be huge logs which would explain slow/under temp burning?

Backing off the ash pan door wing nut enough to break the seal of the ash pan door makes a huge difference for me. I always have that door open to get things started. Once fire has been established I shut/seal that door. Leaving it open for too long could certainly damage the unit. The ash pan door should not have to be messed with after the fire is established.
 
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I believe the manual states static pressure in duct work should be at least .2 IWC. To measure accurately you put one line in the blower housing box (to account for air filter restrictions) and one line in your plenum or in the ductwork close to the plenum. I doubt that is your problem though. I've tempararily run my system at .1 IWC before without an issue.

My Heat Commander blower turns on about 10 minutes after starting a fire with a cold start. If I do a terrible job building a fire it might take a half hour for the blower to kick on. No idea where they pulled the 1-4hr warm up time from, unless they are accounting for a poorly built fire that just smolders for 4 hours.

I have the most heat available while the fire is actively burning and there are visible flames. As long as there are active flames I always have heat available. There is less heat available once it gets to coaling stages. Assuming the thermostat is calling for heat, the blower will remain on until probably the last hour or so of the burn. During the last hour the blower will have to cycle on/off due to lack of available heat. If my thermostat was calling for heat the entire duration of the burn, from a cold start, 20lbs of oak would probably last 3 hours.

Something isn't adding up if you have a hot fire and your plenum is not getting up to temp. Either something is blocking the heat from reaching the plenum, or the hot air in the plenum is being moved elsewhere before it has time to reach the desired temp. Does your ductwork have a natural draft to it? Does air come out the registers when the blower is off but the furnace is hot?

Also, make sure your baffle plates above the secondary air injection tubes are in the right spot and seated properly. I seemed to lose a lot of heat when mine were pushed all the way forward by accident.
I have not yet measured my static pressure in the plenum, but the subject did come up while on the phone with the SBI techs. They mentioned it in passing, but said that the 0.2" WC is for when the blower is running on low speed. Since I'm having issues getting it to come on at all, the static pressure wouldn't be causing my current issue.

I did notice something important over the weekend. When the unit is relatively cool, the servo for the grate draft is on continuously as I've already described. When it does get up to temp and the blower does kick on, that servo shuts off. From that point on, so long as the RTD probe was seeing enough heat, it was the P servo that was running continuously. I was hearing the same sound, but didn't realize it was coming from the other servo. I adjusted the tab on that draft so that it made its limit switch correctly, and that problem stopped. Now the unit works as expected so long as the RTD says that the plenum is up to temp. When the RTD temp drops below 105, the G servo turns back on and runs non-stop again (still a problem). Overall, this has drastically improved how the HC is working for me.

My plenum feeds into the trunk line for my central air system. I run the blower on the central air system constantly pretty much year round. The main outlet on my HC plenum has a backdraft damper installed to keep the central air system from blowing air backwards through my plenum. That means if the HC blower isn't on, there's practically no air flow in the plenum, and I think this is a problem. On Saturday I installed an additional 6" outlet (with a manual damper) that feeds into the cold air return for the central air system. My goal here was 2 fold. First, it allows, and even creates some air flow in the plenum when the HC blower isn't running. Second, on warmer days and with smaller fires, it allows me to pull some heat off the fire box and circulate it through the house. This seems to work well when there's only a bed of coals, and its enough to maintain the heat in the house when the outside temps are in the mid 20s if the damper is completely open. I can close the damper down noticeably and still get enough heat for the house when the temps are up in the 30s. This requires more effort on my part because I'm only adding a couple of splits ever 3-4 hours (just enough to ensure there's a good bed of nice hot coals). Doing this with a hot bed of coals doesn't seem to put enough heat into the cold air return to prevent my gas furnace from kicking on as needed. If I have the HC up to full temp, I think this would no longer be true, so when the temps drop down lower I will need to close that manual draft down quite a bit. Even if its only open a little though, it should still create the airflow needed for plenum to heat up better.

Currently, my coals are lasting a LONG time unless I go down and pile them all up on top of the grate. I'm not sure if that will change once the G servo is fixed or not. I'm hoping it will stay the same because I don't get any smoke off of a bed of coals, and that low, slow heat is very useful to me on most days through out the winter. While it does get cold in this part of Indiana, most of the time the high temps during the winter are in the mid 30s. Later this week the over night lows will be down in the single digits, so I'll see now this setup runs with a nice hot fire at that point.

From a cold start, I'm not getting up to temp in anywhere near 10 min. More like 30 min to 45. With that said, I haven't tried to build a big hot fire fore the past few days because the over night lows are only down to about 20 deg, and the highs are getting up near 40. At 45 and sunny, the sun heats my house enough to keep it up near 70 degrees without any kind of furnace running.

A full load of oak only running 3 hours might be problematic for me. My old wood furnace would run well with up to a 24" log, and a full load would provide good heat for at least 6 hours when the temps were below zero. On an average day, it would provide good heat for 10-12 hrs. The fire box on this system is noticeably smaller, but I was really expecting the "higher efficiency" to help offset that difference. If I can only get good heat for 3 hours when the temps are down around zero, that could become a problem for me since I'm usually gone (at work) for 10-12 hrs during the week. Then again, since we normally only have 5 to 10 of those days a year, this may work out better overall. My wife does not like messing with the wood burner, but the HC IS easy to deal with so having her add 4 or 5 pieces in the early afternoon wouldn't be a big deal. Since the HC blower is driven by the thermostat, and my gas furnace can jump in and supply heat if the HC isn't hot enough, I think it will all work out for the best.
 
My sister says on warmer days (30's, maybe low 40s for a high) she has been getting 16-18 hrs on a load...1 fire/day if its warmer than that.
 
My sister says on warmer days (30's, maybe low 40s for a high) she has been getting 16-18 hrs on a load...1 fire/day if its warmer than that.
I get the same thing. If i stuff it and turn the thermostat off at those temps i can get the house rockin to 79-81 degrees and it will hold there for 18 hours. And ill have heat radiating through the ducts for up to 19 hours was my longest with 18-19 inch long yellow birch before i decided to give it a 1/3rd full box before bed
 
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Oh i hear the whining to! I just say oh yeah i screwed up i wont let this happen again!
I've used that response a few too many times over the past 2 decades. It's totally lost its effect, and at our place the whining starts at 73, sometimes even 72, but don't you dare let it drop below 68 either!

If I do it right, on a mild day I could probably get by with one good fire at bed time, and then adding 2 or 3 splits when I wake up for work. By noon-ish it should be down to an ash covered pile of coals that will stay hot enough to relite the next load at bed time. The key is to not disturb that ash covered pile of coals until I'm ready for the next big burn.
 
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Six pieces of wood to fill the HC firebox? Can you get a picture of a fresh reload? Seems like that would have to be huge logs which would explain slow/under temp burning?

Backing off the ash pan door wing nut enough to break the seal of the ash pan door makes a huge difference for me. I always have that door open to get things started. Once fire has been established I shut/seal that door. Leaving it open for too long could certainly damage the unit. The ash pan door should not have to be messed with after the fire is established.
I missed this earlier. I don't have a pic of a full load. The only decent pic I have in that regard is this one, and I'd call it not quite half full. If I were trying to pack it full, I could have rotated the piece on the left in order to fit a 4th piece on that row, and then added another row of 3 to 4 pcs on top of it. Almost everything I have is split into pcs that are 4"-6" wide and roughly 18" - 20" long. If I want to add some in sideways, I cut them down to 16" with a small battery powered saw/trimmer that I keep in the basement for just such an occasion. This year I'm burning Ash, Hickory, and the last of some Pin Oak, but I haven't brought the Pin Oak in yet. I cut it for the old furnace (20"-24" long and 6"-8" splits), and I need to go through the stack and trim some of it down a little shorter. Running smaller splits would definitely get me up to temp faster, but I'm not in the habit of making splits smaller than 4". I've always called that kindling.

That's basically what I'm doing with the ash pan door. Sometimes I just back the wing nut off most of the way. Problem with that is that its easy to forget to tighten it back up before I walk away. If I open it all the way like you do, I'm more prone to notice it and shut it before leaving :)
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Somewhere on here someone recommended checking the baffles above the secondary air tubes. Its supposed to get up into the 40s today, and stay there over night so I'll let the fire go out today and check the position of the baffles tomorrow.
 
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