I need some advice, on installing a new wood stove

[slickschoppers]

After reviewing the US stove 3000 vrs the Vogelzang ponderosa, I think the United States Stove 3000 is the model I am getting.

I will be installing it in the great room of my house.

the house is a single story, with a drywall ceiling, with cellulous blown insulation, then a sheet steel roof. So, I think my most efficient way to install the chimney would be straight up and out the roof.


the room is 36ft x 60 feet with a beamed ceiling, the beams were covered in standard drywall finished, and filled with insulation. distance between the center of the beams is 12 feet. hopefully the picture will help make sense. the bottom of the beams is about 7 feet, the top of the beams (the ceiling) about 9 feet.

in the picture we are looking at the end of the room with 3 large non-opening windows. the other end of the room has no windows. am going to install the wood stove about 5 to 6 feet from the wall, in center of the room on the non-window side.


this will leave about 4 or 5 feet from any part of the stove to the nearest wall or wooden beam.

that being the case from what I should meet any safety requirements for the walls by just being so far away from them.

the hearth is my question.

reading the manual it says the stove is 29.5 deep, and 27 wide. and the same manual leads me to believe the hearth then needs to be 61.5" by 43"

http://pdf.lowes.com/useandcareguides/012685030005_use.pdf


the floor of the room is hard maple, what is the most cost effective yet safe hearth to use??????

any recommendations would be great

 

[begreen]

Looks like the Country Hearth 3000 needs an R=1.2 hearth. You can buy one premade that meets or exceeds this requirement, or build your own.

 

[slickschoppers]

where would you go about buying one? I'm new to this,, Menards has 1/2" thick hearth pads that say they are r 1.5 but they don't sell any that are 62 x 43...... honestly, I've had difficulty finding ANY premade hearth pad that is 62"

I don't want to sound cheap, and I'm not going to skimp on safety, but i'm not made of money either,, so i'm doing my research to try and come up with a solution that will fit my budget, i'm already looking at $1200 for the wood burner, I haven't researched the exact cost of the chimney yet, but that won't be cheap. then I need to make sure it is all safe.

the hearth pad is really throwing me for a loop as far as research goes.

 

[kennyp2339]

Congrats on deciding to heat with wood, nice space btw. I implore you to do more stove research, I didn't have very good luck with my us stove, the unit fell apart on the 3rd burning season, buy something built like a tank, go with an Englander 30 series model, pound for pound the Englander is better built, made in the USA while the us stove is built in china with cheap materials, dime a dozen stuff comes from China.

 

[bholler]

Yeah id go with an englander over anything from us stove company.

 

[slickschoppers]

An englander really isnt in the price range at the moment. If the us stove lasts two years, i can replace it with an upgraded englander and have the 6" chimney and hearth in place.

 

[bholler]

An englander really isnt in the price range at the moment. If the us stove lasts two years, i can replace it with an upgraded englander and have the 6" chimney and hearth in place.

The englander is usually in the same price range

 

[slickschoppers]

I didn't see any Englander wood stoves in the 2500 to 3000 foot range?

I saw one that looks like a furnace, but not a stove.....

 

[slickschoppers]

ok,, I found an englander nc30 at home depot for $899 which is cheaper than the US stove.

do they operate similar to the US Stove or Vogelzang? as in they have secondary air burn that regulates the burn, and you don't need a damper in the chimney?

 

[slickschoppers]

i've got to say,, the more I'm reading up on the Englander Nc-30 the more it looks like you guys just saved me $500!

 

[kennyp2339]

you don't need a damper in the chimney?

correct, no damper needed, actually no damper in the pipe needed for any new epa certified wood stove unless you have a crazy strong draft

 

[begreen]

where would you go about buying one? I'm new to this,, Menards has 1/2" thick hearth pads that say they are r 1.5 but they don't sell any that are 62 x 43...... honestly, I've had difficulty finding ANY premade hearth pad that is 62"

There is something very odd about the documentation for this stove. It says it requires 26" of hearth protection in front of the stove. Normal US protection is 16" in front of the door and 18" in Canada. I have never seen a stove requiring 26" before. Wondering if this started out as a typo. The US Stove Magnolia (which I think was this stove's predecessor) requires 18". I would give US Stove a call and see if someone made an error in the manual.

 

[slickschoppers]

well.... I have a new plan......

I will order a Englander NC-30 tomorrow.....

I went and measured and the stove will sit 6 feet from the wall, and 5 feet from the wood beams, so I shoudn't need to do anything as far as heat shielding on the wall correct?

does anyone have a recommendation for a hearth pad from Menards, Lowes, or home Depot?

Also any recommendations on chimney?

 

[brenndatomu]

i've got to say,, the more I'm reading up on the Englander Nc-30 the more it looks like you guys just saved me $500!

Make that $600... (and that is the shipped to your door price)
(broken link removed to https://www.amfmenergy.com/collections/timber-ridge-brand-new-factory-seconds-or-manufacturer-refurbished-stoves/products/50tnc30-epa-certified-noncatalytic-wood-stove-2250302201)

 

[kennyp2339]

let ask the question, whats under the wood floor? cement slab? If so why not cut the wood out in that area and tile over it?

 

[begreen]

Good plan, that's a great stove. Get a decent double-wall chimney pipe. Menards usually has great prices on Selkirk chimney. Lowes sells SuperVent I think. Home Depot sells DuraPlus which is an economy line. Duravent's DuraTech line is much better.

The Englander 30-NC needs a minimum of a 39 x 52 hearthpad, R=1.5. Menards has a 48 x 54 that would work, it's rated at R 1.61 by American Panel Hearth Products

 

[slickschoppers]

Kenny P, my house is an old national guard armory built as a dance hall in the late 40's. under the maple floor, is ANOTHER layer of maple flooring running in the opposite direction, then a layer of rough cut 2x6 cotton wood beams, then the floor joists, then a 10 foot basement.

cutting old growth maple flooring out is not an option.

begreen, thanks for the suggestions, I will look into all of them!!

I want to thank all of you for the help

 

[slickschoppers]

so menards has HY-C floor pads rated at R - 1.56 of course it is 36 x 54 so it's 1.5" too narrow on each side......... GRRR...

they are only $150 bucks.

the hearth pads I find that are 54" and 39" or wider,, are 3 times that much..........

if I can find one of the HY-C floor pads or that style, will that work?

 

[slickschoppers]

i'm new to this,, it seems crazy that a Hearth pad costs almost as much as a wood stove!!

I knew the chimney would be expensive....

 

[begreen]

i'm new to this,, it seems crazy that a Hearth pad costs almost as much as a wood stove!!

I knew the chimney would be expensive....

Yes, hearth pads are expensive. That's why some folks build their own.

 

[RobbieB]

With all the dough we saved you on the stove, the pad is free -

 

[slickschoppers]

I was hoping the dough saved on the wood stove made this a for sure thing........ LOL.. that would cover alot of chimney....

so? how hard is it to build a hearth?

I built a whole house in an old armory, studs, drywall, electrical, plumbing, windows, refinished the flooring, so I like to think I'm handy enough..... I just have no experience with hearths........ or material.

 

[RobbieB]

You can do it, you just have to layer up your R's enough.

 

[brenndatomu]

Could maybe switch to a stove with a lesser R requirement...Englander Madison comes to mind...
Lowes carries the larger one under the Summers Heat name...
Item # 669024 Model # 50-SHSSW02

 

[brenndatomu]

Menards usually has great prices on Selkirk chimney

This ^ ^ ^
They have the 11% sale on right now to boot...