I think I Could Be In Love, Almosta .........Englander 50VL17.

[Dix]

http://www.overstockstoves.com/50tvl17--epa-certified-noncatalytic-wood-stove--1250171200.html

My only draw back, a 1.1 CF firebox. Bigger firebox would be better in my case .Price is right.

 

[BrotherBart]

The designer jumped ship and went to work for Harman so it probably ain't gonna get bigger. :-S

 

[fossil]

I love this line in the listing: "**By the way, the beautiful flame shown in the product image is a "real" flame shot from one of our stoves!" Hmm...Which one?

 

[Dix]

The designer jumped ship and went to work for Harman so it probably ain't gonna get bigger. :-S

Crap.

Guess it's gonna be this one, then.


http://www.englanderstoves.com/50-tfp12.html


Too much oak, not enough stoves

 

[BrotherBart]

Yeah the fire is the same one that they have in the 30 in the ads.

Funny thing is that while Corey was working on the 17 in the lab better pics of a fire in it were posted here.

 

[BrotherBart]

The designer jumped ship and went to work for Harman so it probably ain't gonna get bigger. :-S

Crap.

Guess it's gonna be this one, then.


http://www.englanderstoves.com/50-tfp12.html


Too much oak, not enough stoves

Go 30-NC or go home. :lol:

 

[Beetle-Kill]

The designer jumped ship and went to work for Harman so it probably ain't gonna get bigger. :-S

Crap.

Guess it's gonna be this one, then.


http://www.englanderstoves.com/50-tfp12.html


Too much oak, not enough stoves

Sorry, but I still don't know what the 35-to-1 means in the description. I really don't care, as my NC-13 will be heating only 300 sq.ft., and that should allow the use of flip-flops and a thong in January. (me, not the wife.)

 

[Jags]

Dix - have you ever seen a 1.1 cuft firebox? That is tiny. As in set a box of wooden matches inside it to load, tiny, but I guess it depends on your application.

I like Horse Power. I wanna see PE come out with their new 2 in 1 stove with 4 cuft of useable firebox. :cheese:

 

[Backwoods Savage]

Ya, 1.1 is super small for a firebox. Our 2 cu. ft. is small and I would really hate to go smaller. The 1.1 would have to be fed continually for sure and forget night fires.

 

[Todd]

I'd pass on that 35 to 1 stove. I think that ratio is the amount of air going into the stove which is huge compared to a secondary tube stove. It will really rip through the wood and let a lot of heat up the flue. You would probably be better off with the 17 or 13.

If your looking for a smallish stove with long burns look at the cat stoves. Maybe Woodstock has a few refurbished Keystones or Palladians for cheap?

 

[EatenByLimestone]

I think the size of the firebox could be right depending on the application. The stove will come to temp faster than a larger one. If it's in an area that is only going to be used infrequently it might be preferrable to use a stove that will only need a little while to put out all of it's heat.

Matt

 

[begreen]

Where are you thinking of putting this stove Eileen and what would be your expectations from it?

 

[Dix]

I want to put it in the lower level that doesn't get much heat from the apartment (and none from the upper lever, where the PE is), in what is now the master. The master used to be the kitchen, and that's where my Mom had the honking huge porcelain ( i think) over cast coal stove. It was the first stove fired up during the season, and the last to go out in the spring. Eventually move the kitchen back there (not hard, really, plumbing is still there) and make the current kitchen the master.


We've tightened & done some caulking, etc (more to do), and I'm playing with the AC's to check air flow. I did not put a window unit in that room this summer (not using it, why cool it?) and we're running the ceiling fan, and a dehumidifier as needed. It's not unbearably warm down there, but it's definitely consistent with the temps from the winter, only in reverse, if that makes sense to anyone. I figure this past winter was our worst case scenario, so if I'm ready for that we should be OK.


With all this oak coming down around here, just installing a 3rd stove for when it's brutal outside is probably the way to go. It's on a slab, and I'd do a corner install. The 1.1 CF firebox wouldn't cut it, I don't think, but the box in the 12 is the same as the 13, so I don't understand the SF heating ratings difference.


As usual, any input appreciated :-S


Area is at the bottom of layout, middle of house, labeled bedroom 10' 4" X 15' 6".

 

[begreen]

I kind of thought so. Of course you read the manual and know that woodstoves are not permitted in bedrooms.

 

[Dix]

Works because I'm not using it as a bedroom now. Murph & I are sleeping in the den

 

[begreen]

How is the space being used? It could get hot with a bigger stove. If a 4 hr burn is sufficient and this is only for those really cold nights, I think the 50VL17 would work. But from what I remember, the concern was about freezing pipes in the bathroom. Is that still the case? If so, have you thought about a pellet stove? It is easier to install and can be thermostatically regulated.

 

[leeave96]

With all this oak coming down around here, just installing a 3rd stove for when it's brutal outside is probably the way to go. It's on a slab, and I'd do a corner install. The 1.1 CF firebox wouldn't cut it, I don't think, but the box in the 12 is the same as the 13, so I don't understand the SF heating ratings difference.

The difference might be that (someone please correct me if I am wrong) the 13 is an EPA certified stove where the 12 is not. The 13 should be much more efficient utilizing secondary burns to reduce creosote output up the chimney. I don't think I'd buy the 12 were I in your shoes for this reason.

Thanks,
Bill

 

[Dix]

How is the space being used? It could get hot with a bigger stove. If a 4 hr burn is sufficient and this is only for those really cold nights, I think the 50VL17 would work. But from what I remember, the concern was about freezing pipes in the bathroom. Is that still the case? If so, have you thought about a pellet stove? It is easier to install and can be thermostatically regulated.

I have 3 pipes that froze down there last year ( h & cold water, and the OHWB loop at the bottom of the diagram, in the same room). . H & C to the washer, and they feed the bathroom. We have to address the pipes from the outside, but that will be taken care of as well. Right now, I have cold only to the washer, no biggie.

I have thought about a pellet stove, a gas stove, radiant w/pex, solar, good lord so many. But, to be honest, It comes down to $$$'s. Least expensive way out to me is another stove, and all this oak coming down in the next year. I'll load it, lug, it, and feed it, if I must.

 

[Dix]

With all this oak coming down around here, just installing a 3rd stove for when it's brutal outside is probably the way to go. It's on a slab, and I'd do a corner install. The 1.1 CF firebox wouldn't cut it, I don't think, but the box in the 12 is the same as the 13, so I don't understand the SF heating ratings difference.

The difference might be that (someone please correct me if I am wrong) the 13 is an EPA certified stove where the 12 is not. The 13 should be much more efficient utilizing secondary burns to reduce creosote output up the chimney. I don't think I'd buy the 12 were I in your shoes for this reason.

Thanks,
Bill

Bill, thank you. We're very happy with the 13 in the apartment, and you 're probably right. The $100 difference ain't worth it, not in the long run.

 

[GAMMA RAY]

Dix, I had the 12....don't go there girlfriend...
the difference in the two is amazing...
I thought the stove top thermometer was broken on the 12...I swear it did not go above 200-250....all that freakin heat goin up the chimney..shame shame
and the 12 consumed so much more wood...like it had a tapeworm...
maybes spend the extra 100 bucks on a 13 and just build smaller fires...?

 

[Dix]

Thanks, M !! More info to feed the decision. The 12 is out. To bad a 13 hasn't come up on Craigs list


Da Dixette & I decided last night not to do a corner install, and instead to put it on the long wall between the den ( says bedroom 19' X something), and build a hearth. The heat can come off of the sides and flow to the stairway to the upper level, and flow through the connecting doors to the apartment. I can play musical wood stoves ;-P

 

[BrotherBart]

I think that space needs an electric radiator. Three wood stoves are a huge pain in the ass to take care of. And the cost of the stove and chimney are probably a bunch of years of the cost for the electricity for that one area.

 

[Dix]

Our electric rates start at $.27 per KWH. I cut out the dryer, for the most part, and cut the bill by $50 per month.

 

[begreen]

.27/KWh, ouch! Sounds like you need to get into the energy generation business. Maybe solar panels?

 

[Dix]

DELIVERY & SYSTEM CHARGES
Basic Service : 59 day(s) @ $ .2750 $ 16.23
492 KWH @ $ .0857 42.16
982 KWH @ $ .0851 83.57
Subtotal 141.96

POWER SUPPLY CHARGES
1474 KWH @ $ .080170 118.17

Efficiency & Renewables Charge
1474 KWH @ $ .005799 8.55

OTHER CHARGES
NY State Assessment 3.27
Revenue-Based PILOTS 5.97
Suffolk Property Tax Adjustment 5.46
Sales Tax @ 2.5 % 7.08
Subtotal 21.78

Total Charges $ 290.46

That's for June.