Locust Post
Minister of Fire
fossil said:The only way to become a "bad citizen" here is to abuse the forums or other members. Then you won't be around much longer. Rick
Is it abuse when you talk about that evil vertical splitting practice ?
fossil said:The only way to become a "bad citizen" here is to abuse the forums or other members. Then you won't be around much longer. Rick
Locust Post said:fossil said:The only way to become a "bad citizen" here is to abuse the forums or other members. Then you won't be around much longer. Rick
Is it abuse when you talk about that evil vertical splitting practice ?
valley ranch said:A few of the Englander stoves have a bit of trouble working as long as they should.
valley ranch said:Hi Pen, I am refering to a thread on this forum re: Problems with the motors on pellet burners. Is that a different Englander?
SmokeyCity said:I'm curious if anyone cares strongly about those who choose to burn the the dragon even though they have the knowledge and resources to aquire a cleaner and more efficient stove.
That's what I like about this place!fossil said:The only way to become a "bad citizen" here is to abuse the forums or other members. Then you won't be around much longer. Rick
lukem said:SmokeyCity said:I'm curious if anyone cares strongly about those who choose to burn the the dragon even though they have the knowledge and resources to aquire a cleaner and more efficient stove.
<much snippage>
So does that make me a "bad" citizen? I don't know, but I'm sure I don't care.
+1lukem said:SmokeyCity said:I'm curious if anyone cares strongly about those who choose to burn the the dragon even though they have the knowledge and resources to aquire a cleaner and more efficient stove.
I have both, yet I burn a 1984 model stove. Yes, I'm fortunate enough to have learned from everyone here at hearth.com about the benefits of a modern stove, and have the financial resources to buy a new stove, but I haven't/didn't/won't until I have to.
It's all about ROI...and for me there isn't any. I process my own fuel and love doing it so there's no financial or intangible incentive associated with burning less wood. My stove works great...12 hour burns are a walk in the park even with marginal wood. It cranks heat, so a new one won't make my house warmer.
On the downside, it does make smoke and creosote even though my fuel is very dry.
As far as creosote, I clean my chimney about three times a season. It takes 20 minutes. So, you can argue that a new stove would take 40 minutes less work a season on cleaning. I would have to value my time very highly for that to make financial sense. You could argue that it may be safer too, but probably only marginally since I clean frequently and don't get much out of the flue when I do.
As far as smoke, which I don't make much of, it doesn't impact my neighbors. It does the environment. I figure i can have a better impact on the environment by spending money on other efficiency improvement efforts that need done anyway (sealing leaks, adding insulation, better appliances, etc) that I use year round than a new stove that I only use less than a thied of the year.
So does that make me a "bad" citizen? I don't know, but I'm sure I don't care.
I am a "good citizen" and I burn both.pen said:Really, considering the title of this topic, I think the issue becomes what being a "good citizen" means. The definition will change depending on how global you want to be defined.
Being a good citizen will change drastically depending on population density / local climate / etc when talking about the small scale or locale. In a worldly sense, a definition of a "good citizen" may be very different from what we would expect.
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lukem said:SmokeyCity said:I'm curious if anyone cares strongly about those who choose to burn the the dragon even though they have the knowledge and resources to aquire a cleaner and more efficient stove.
I have both, yet I burn a 1984 model stove. Yes, I'm fortunate enough to have learned from everyone here at hearth.com about the benefits of a modern stove, and have the financial resources to buy a new stove, but I haven't/didn't/won't until I have to.
It's all about ROI...and for me there isn't any. I process my own fuel and love doing it so there's no financial or intangible incentive associated with burning less wood. My stove works great...12 hour burns are a walk in the park even with marginal wood. It cranks heat, so a new one won't make my house warmer.
On the downside, it does make smoke and creosote even though my fuel is very dry.
As far as creosote, I clean my chimney about three times a season. It takes 20 minutes. So, you can argue that a new stove would take 40 minutes less work a season on cleaning. I would have to value my time very highly for that to make financial sense. You could argue that it may be safer too, but probably only marginally since I clean frequently and don't get much out of the flue when I do.
As far as smoke, which I don't make much of, it doesn't impact my neighbors. It does the environment. I figure i can have a better impact on the environment by spending money on other efficiency improvement efforts that need done anyway (sealing leaks, adding insulation, better appliances, etc) that I use year round than a new stove that I only use less than a thied of the year.
So does that make me a "bad" citizen? I don't know, but I'm sure I don't care.
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