Install question, stove location

[trink408]

New guy to the pellet stove arena, looking at having my new stove installed on Friday. In planning for the install I'm trying to figure out the best location for the stove install. I've read through the manual and vent pipe instructions, but didn't see anything much on the questions I have. The stove is going into my basement, vent will go up and out the wall. I have a split level so only about 4' basement wall.

I'm going to have a 5' vertical pipe coming off a T-clean out behind the stove, can that vertical pipe be at a slight angle? Where I want to place stove, with proper clearances, doesn't really work by the studs to run vent through the wall. If I could put a slight angle on that vertical pipe would help.

Is it okay for the stove to be installed near a cold air return for the furnace?

Thanks in advance for any help/suggestions guys. Anxious to get this stove up and running, should be a great addition to my TV room downstairs.

 

[vinny11950]

I'm going to have a 5' vertical pipe coming off a T-clean out behind the stove, can that vertical pipe be at a slight angle? The pipe may have some play, but I would not count on it. Plus, you want that pipe sitting tight and flush in the joint collars.

Where I want to place stove, with proper clearances, doesn't really work by the studs to run vent through the wall. If I could put a slight angle on that vertical pipe would help.

Is it okay for the stove to be installed near a cold air return for the furnace? I don't see this being an issue.

Thanks in advance for any help/suggestions guys. Anxious to get this stove up and running, should be a great addition to my TV room downstairs.

It would help us advise you better to know the stove brand and model.

The same for the stove pipe you plan to use

Remember to read stove model install manual and the stove pipe manufacturer install manual too. They will give you clearances to openings, such as windows, doors, vents, and such. You have to respect them.

You want the stove in a location inside that will naturally move the warm air to other places in the home. A big fan by the stove helps too. For the exhaust, take into account where the exit point is and see if the wind predominantly hits that side of the house - it may cause the ash from the exhaust to bounce back into the wall and stain it. Also think of things that may block it like a big snow storm, and design around it.

Finally, figure out your EVL

http://nevelsstoves.com/pellet-stove-venting.html

But I would go with 4 inch pipe for the easy flow, but you may not need it.

Good luck.

 

[trink408]

Thanks for the information Sir.

I wasn't very clear in my post. I'm wondering if the vertical pipe can be canted slightly to get it over between the studs as opposed to running perfectly straight up and down. I've attached a (crude) drawing explaining better.

I'm installing a Pelpro 60 stove, just looking to add some supplemental heat in my basement room.

The outside wall where it will vent does get some wind, but all of my exterior walls do. Can that ash stain be clean off aluminum siding? I do have a vent cap which will hopefully help some?

Thanks again

 

[vinny11950]

Nice drawing. If you are just rotating the collars and the pipe sits flush and tight in the collars, it should work. I don't see why not. Maybe someone else will offer up better reasons.

As for the staining, it is hard to tell what will wash off from what material easily, or if you will get staining at all. It really depends on the pellets you burn. Some brands are nasty manufacturing leftovers with mysterious additives that leave crap in the stove and pipes.

It is always good to test burn a brand before buying bulk. And you can search and ask in this forum about the brand.

 

[bogieb]

My vertical pipe is run at less than a 45* angle to reach the basement window for venting. I'm shocked I don't have a picture to show you, but yea, I wouldn't worry about it. Just if you have sheetrock, make sure your exhaust has the required clearance for the entire length of the pipe (mine is along the concrete block foundation, so no worries there).

 

[trink408]

Thanks guys.

I should be good for clearance all along, the vent pipe says 1", but I will be more like 3 to 5" from wall because of install spot.

Does going further away from house with termination cap help from possible staining on outside walls? I believe code is 12" from outside wall?

 

[spacemanstiff]

Thanks guys.

I should be good for clearance all along, the vent pipe says 1", but I will be more like 3 to 5" from wall because of install spot.

Does going further away from house with termination cap help? I believe code is 12" from outside wall?

Code differs state to state and locality to locality. Your manual should tell you the minimum distance you need. I too have my pipe angled from my stove to my chimney, no complaints. I would suggest buying some high temp HVAC tape to further seal your joints. It's cheap and easy to do.

 

[Lake Girl]

Most building code officials defer to instructions in your manual when it comes to installation...

 

[FirepotPete]

I have aluminum siding and will tell you that YES you will get staining, almost impossible to get off. And it gets worse if you burn corn like I do. There are some mod ideas to keep the staining down for the end of the exhaust. Will try and find some of those later, I have to take my FIL to the hospital right now.

 

[trink408]

Does having a section of vertical rise help prevent soot/ash staining? Pretty concerned about ruining my siding. Mine will have a 5' vertical rise inside before heading out of the wall.

 

[spacemanstiff]

Does having a section of vertical rise help prevent soot/ash staining? Pretty concerned about ruining my siding. Mine will have a 5' vertical rise inside before heading out of the wall.

The rise is to create a natural draft in the event of power failure. Just a matter of doing it in the house vs. outside. I have about 2ft of horizontal pipe coming out of my house terminated with the 'turbo' cap. Never had a problem with staining. I also have vinyl siding.

The other option is to get above your roof line which will guarantee no staining. More pipe though.

 

[pete7713]

I have 4ft rise inside and pipe is terminated 2ft beyond the siding no staining, I'm using the turbo cap also

 

[trink408]

What is the "turbo cap" you guys have mentioned? I got a vent cap from Selkirk, 3" horizontal termination cap.

 

[FirepotPete]

What is the "turbo cap" you guys have mentioned? I got a vent cap from Selkirk, 3" horizontal termination cap.

That's all I have on my term cap. A different one may help. All of my vertical is on the interior of the house, extends out 2' from the outside wall. Where mine is is where 90% of the wind comes from so that might make a difference. Maybe the turbo cap is the way to go, I don't know what that is.

 

[rona]

Thanks guys.

I should be good for clearance all along, the vent pipe says 1", but I will be more like 3 to 5" from wall because of install spot.

Does going further away from house with termination cap help from possible staining on outside walls? I believe code is 12" from outside wall?

12 inches will leave soot on the wall. 24inches with a 90 degree elbow pointed down will prevent most of the soot problem and also prevent wind from blowing into the exh causing problems.

 

[pete7713]

http://www.dynamitebuys.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=2929

this is what i'm using, it's for dura vent pro

 

[Lake Girl]

take my FIL to the hospital right now

Everything OK?? I'm hoping this is for a regularly scheduled scan/test and not an emergency...

 

[bogieb]

Here is the angle on my exhaust. It rises maybe 5-6 feet all told to the window.



I have a 1' extension outside, with a jet cap, without any staining (3rd season of running this stove). However, the foot above the outlet is painted cinder block, so may not act like your siding. My main floor exhaust sticks out between 1.5 and 2 feet from the wall with a 45* cap at the end, and I have no staining (2nd year of running stoves). My siding is painted wood, so once again may, or may not act the same. both exhausts are on the side of the prevailing wind though.

Keep in mind since there is no screen on either of my end caps, I stuff them with newspaper and cover with plastic bags during the non-burning season to keep insects, birds and small mammals out of them.

 

[bogieb]

I have aluminum siding and will tell you that YES you will get staining, almost impossible to get off. And it gets worse if you burn corn like I do. There are some mod ideas to keep the staining down for the end of the exhaust. Will try and find some of those later, I have to take my FIL to the hospital right now.

Hope everything is okay Pete!

 

[Lake Girl]

turbo cap

Here's a photo of mine - post #28 https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/vent-termination-cap.106772/page-2

 

[FirepotPete]

Everything OK?? I'm hoping this is for a regularly scheduled scan/test and not an emergency..

Hope everything is okay Pete!

Thanks, yes regular irregular appointment. He's 90, WWII and Korean war vet. Worked in paper mills all his life and has developed lung problems from asbestos. Last week a flare up so since then has been very hectic. Appointments being made by the clinics/hospitals as the day goes on wanting to check the tests from machines he's using for breathing. Never know when the phone will ring. He still lives at home, by himself, hope to keep him happy and as healthy as possible.

 

[Lake Girl]

Best wishes for the war vet! Nice that he can still be at home with accommodations but I'm sure it adds a bit extra to your daily schedule. If you have kids, make sure they get to spend time with Gramps ... my kids missed out on that with their Grandmas that passed away too young and, as adults, they realize the loss.

 

[alternativeheat]

Thanks, yes regular irregular appointment. He's 90, WWII and Korean war vet. Worked in paper mills all his life and has developed lung problems from asbestos. Last week a flare up so since then has been very hectic. Appointments being made by the clinics/hospitals as the day goes on wanting to check the tests from machines he's using for breathing. Never know when the phone will ring. He still lives at home, by himself, hope to keep him happy and as healthy as possible.

Been there done that, my prayers and best wishes are with you and the old boy !

 

[trink408]

Here's a photo of mine - post #28 https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/vent-termination-cap.106772/page-2

Can this cap be used with other vent pipe manufacturers? It seems most are brand specific, maybe the caps are different though?

Thanks

 

[Lake Girl]

The cap I use mates to Bio-Vent... Yes, I think most caps are manufacturer specific but just wanted to show what a "turbo" cap looks like.