It begins. Froling +1000 gallons of storage

TCaldwell

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In case anyone was wondering this is how you install a 10-foot tank vertically with 9 ft of ceiling space.


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Nhtreehouse a member here did just what your doing two years ago with a 1000 gal tank. I’m sure you can find his posts and pics.
 
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3fordasho

Minister of Fire
Jul 20, 2007
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South Central Minnesota
Lots of project fun to follow! I'm about 98% finished with my Attack DPXL45 + 2-500 gallon propane tank storage install.
My tanks were used scrap units and as such they required extra labor - They were cheap ($200 each) but required my labor to make them acceptable for use (proper fittings, cutting an access to properly clean inside) All I can say is if you weld in any additional fittings - pressure check many times and then do it again. Also sealing threaded fittings through out the system - I used multiple wraps of monster blue Teflon tape and then yellow Rectorseal #5 - not good enough and had several fittings leak. Spend the money on some locktite products - my difficult fittings were finally sealed with Loctite 55 and then Locktite aerobic thread sealant #565.
The 55 string is a bit unusual to use but it really sealed up those difficult fittings and allows for a bit of fitting repositioning if required.

Good luck!
 

maple1

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Sep 15, 2011
10,691
Nova Scotia
I would add to that, by saying make extra extra sure you really NEED extra fittings/ports, before you make new holes in your tanks. IMO you only really need one in & one out, most times. I also had issues getting the welds water & pressure tight. Mainly because I took fittings to the welder that I thought were steel but were cast. It was a mix on the supplier shelf, and I didn't know that.

I also had a couple of trouble drips after I got everything up & running. One little jug of seal all stuff fixed those, with no issues since.
 
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chew72

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Oct 27, 2009
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Thanks for the advice. I am only adding two fittings to each. One in the top one in the bottom. The rest will be plugged except one fitting was damaged so I'll have that one capped.

The welder doing the work is a ticketed pressure welder and I've seen his work.

One question though. Any easy way to tell forged fittings from cast? I ordered them from McMaster carr and I'm not sure. If I look for photos online they look the same but I assume it's just a stock photo and not the fitting itself.

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chew72

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Oct 27, 2009
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Well it's been a busy year! Thought Id pop back on here and keep the updates coming. I'll start with a few more photos as everyone enjoys photos.

One tank in just like that. (Feb 2020)
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Two tank.
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chew72

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Oct 27, 2009
60
NS, Canada
And finally what it currently looks like. I insulated the tanks with 4" of Roxul insulation.

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Its a work in progress but I'm an electrician who does automation and control. This is a view of the boiler screen on the HMI I have in the house. The graph is the Flue temp
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salecker

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Aug 22, 2010
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All I can say is if you weld in any additional fittings - pressure check many times and then do it again. Also sealing threaded fittings through out the system - I used multiple wraps of monster blue Teflon tape and then yellow Rectorseal #5 - not good enough and had several fittings leak. Spend the money on some locktite products - my difficult fittings were finally sealed with Loctite 55 and then Locktite aerobic thread sealant #565.
I was taught about using Hemp when i did my build,i did comparisons with two other procedures when i built my storage tanks,I used just pipe dope on a 1/3,pipe dope and teflon on 1/3 and hemp on the other 1/3Tested my tanks to 80 PSI,i tested my complete system at 80PSI when i was done.
Anyhow on my tank test the only fitting that didnt leak were the hemp ones,tape and dope some would stop with more torgue on the fittings,there were 3 with just tape that would not seal.
When i was finished my system,zero hemp joints leaked,and 2 soldered ones did leak fro recycled fittings.90 % of my pipe and fittings were recycled
 

chew72

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Oct 27, 2009
60
NS, Canada
I was taught about using Hemp when i did my build,i did comparisons with two other procedures when i built my storage tanks,I used just pipe dope on a 1/3,pipe dope and teflon on 1/3 and hemp on the other 1/3Tested my tanks to 80 PSI,i tested my complete system at 80PSI when i was done.
Anyhow on my tank test the only fitting that didnt leak were the hemp ones,tape and dope some would stop with more torgue on the fittings,there were 3 with just tape that would not seal.
When i was finished my system,zero hemp joints leaked,and 2 soldered ones did leak fro recycled fittings.90 % of my pipe and fittings were recycled
I used Teflon myself. I've done some plumbing in the past. 3 wraps of Teflon and a little extra crank on every fitting, I didn't have any leaks. I did however have one copper fitting leak. It was new but had a bit of green inside where it must have gotten wet. I cleaned it ok'ish and it leaked I had to pull it apart and do a good job cleaning down to all new copper. Live and learn
 

3fordasho

Minister of Fire
Jul 20, 2007
979
South Central Minnesota
I was taught about using Hemp when i did my build,i did comparisons with two other procedures when i built my storage tanks,I used just pipe dope on a 1/3,pipe dope and teflon on 1/3 and hemp on the other 1/3Tested my tanks to 80 PSI,i tested my complete system at 80PSI when i was done.
Anyhow on my tank test the only fitting that didnt leak were the hemp ones,tape and dope some would stop with more torgue on the fittings,there were 3 with just tape that would not seal.
When i was finished my system,zero hemp joints leaked,and 2 soldered ones did leak fro recycled fittings.90 % of my pipe and fittings were recycled
My latest favorite products are the Loctite 55 sealing thread with Locktite 577. The 577 is similar to the 565 but sets up firmer where as the 565 stays fairly soft. I also apply most of the 577 to the external threads but also just a little on the internal. No leaks ever when I do this even when there is a mix of pipe thread styles (british or euro vs US pipe thread? I don't know but there seems to be a slight difference)
The 577 also seems to seal up when you have those fittings that bottom out before the threads themselves get tight. I also tend to find the 55 thread is not always necessary on fitting under ~1".
 

chew72

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Oct 27, 2009
60
NS, Canada
This winter has been good so far. I've been burning poorly seasoned (free) 70% soft and 30% Hardwood. I make a fire at 5pm reload the boiler 3hrs later and that seems to carry me to then next day down to -5c. Colder and I reload a 3rd time. In hindsight I should have gone with a 50kw unit but at the time I only had access to one 300gallon tank not two 500's.

Down the road I hope to have my wood pile closer and under a roof. It's only covered by tarps currently. Also if this winter is any sign of thinks to come the 30kw will prove to be the right choice anyway. That or if I ever get to burning exclusively hardwood.