Just curious to know why.

[oldspark]

I run around 800 flu temps as my stove has to when the afterburner is in use, but when it is not in use it runs around 650 flue. These temps are very common in newer EPA stoves and some need to run that hot in order to run properly. The stove on the other hand above 600 just waste fuel and heat as you have to load more often.

Pete

That's why for me the cat stove works better.
My pipe 18" up from my stove top(single wall) is never around 400..usually around 275-300..the last half of the burn closer to 250.
I like it like that.
Less going up the flue from the load but yet the cat cleans it up and really helps heat the house.
I burned the same stove for 24 years but without a cat...the old stove was not even half as good.
This thing is so easy to run..a few days is all it took for the basics.
Load it up,,burn hotter for maybe 20 mins till cat temp is up..flip the bypass..set the temp control and walk away for up to 24 hours or more in the shoulder..at least 12 in the deep freeze...16 hours avg.

He's running a probe (I think) are you or you external?

 

[Pallet Pete]

I run around 800 flu temps as my stove has to when the afterburner is in use, but when it is not in use it runs around 650 flue. These temps are very common in newer EPA stoves and some need to run that hot in order to run properly. The stove on the other hand above 600 just waste fuel and heat as you have to load more often.

Pete

That's why for me the cat stove works better.
My pipe 18" up from my stove top(single wall) is never around 400..usually around 275-300..the last half of the burn closer to 250.
I like it like that.
Less going up the flue from the load but yet the cat cleans it up and really helps heat the house.
I burned the same stove for 24 years but without a cat...the old stove was not even half as good.
This thing is so easy to run..a few days is all it took for the basics.
Load it up,,burn hotter for maybe 20 mins till cat temp is up..flip the bypass..set the temp control and walk away for up to 24 hours or more in the shoulder..at least 12 in the deep freeze...16 hours avg.

I am not looking for a cat non cat war but I will say I love my Harman and can honestly say it is the cleanest burning stove I have ever seen next to Blaze King. The downside to an afterburner is defiantly the temps but that is easily controlled once you figure out your setup.

Pete

 

[HotCoals]

The stoves they're running are a different animal to burn. Last year with my Endeavor it was always an exciting time after a reload to see if the stove would head for the moon or not. I never got over the 800* published over fire temp but it was close many times.

The BK is different, I can run it up to 750* on 3 and as soon as I turn it down to 2 the temp goes down in minutes. The people freaking out are doing so when the stove is turned down all the way and it's still going up, that is not fun.

I concur.
I have a super bad habit of turning these threads into a cat vs tube and I have to stop it.

I worry about newbies and saftey...and how they might freak and do something stupid.
I just believe a cat stove is easier and safer to run overall.
I will realy try harder not to do this anymore.
I know tube stoves are safe when installed correct and with someone running them with experience.
I almost bought one.

 

[oldspark]

Yea the cat vs the non cat is kinda well you know um-silly (I am being nice).

 

[Pallet Pete]

Yea the cat vs the non cat is kinda well you know um-silly (I am being nice).

:lol: :lol:

 

[HotCoals]

Yea the cat vs the non cat is kinda well you know um-silly (I am being nice).

Cat stove is still better though! lmao.

 

[oldspark]

Not sure why a cat stove would be safer and easier to run, pretty sure you can let them get away from you also.

 

[oldspark]

Yea the cat vs the non cat is kinda well you know um-silly (I am being nice).

Cat stove is still better though! lmao.

You just cant let it go can you? :lol:

 

[Pallet Pete]

Just to clarify for the temps I am not running tube or cat it is downdraft overhead dome technology ( Combustor ). My temps will be different then Tube or Cat !

Pete

 

[HotCoals]

Not sure why a cat stove would be safer and easier to run, pretty sure you can let them get away from you also.

I guess you have not read some of the post in this thread..If a cat stove ran away..which it won't unless of operator error...you just turn the air down and it will drop fast.
Tube stoves..not so much..you can not (usually) shut the secondary off.
I can put wood in my stove hot and not have it go nuclear...ever.
One air control shuts it all down..that is a huge diff.

 

[fossil]

Yea the cat vs the non cat is kinda well you know um-silly (I am being nice).

Cat stove is still better though! lmao.

You so consistently speak with such declarative authority, maybe you should start up your own forum. :roll:

 

[oldspark]

Not sure why a cat stove would be safer and easier to run, pretty sure you can let them get away from you also.

I guess you have not read some of the post in this thread..If a cat stove ran away..which it won't unless of operator error...you just turn the air down and it will drop fast.
.

IMHO it is operator error when there stoves run away from them, it is mostly people who have limited time with their set up, after they get familar with the stove and chimney there is not a problem. Have been reading these run away threads going on 2 years now and I think once they figure it out the problem goes away.

 

[HotCoals]

Yea the cat vs the non cat is kinda well you know um-silly (I am being nice).

Cat stove is still better though! lmao.

You so consistently speak with such declarative authority, maybe you should start up your own forum. :roll:

Maybe I should.

But look ..how long you been here?
The short time I have been here I have seen countless threads about people getting freaked out over their tube stoves burning hotter then they would like.
How many cat owners have posted that..none that I have seen.

I know tube stoves are safe for the most part installed correctly.
It's the iffy installs and unseasoned operators that scare me.

But man not to have a saftey to shut the secondary air down is crazy.
In that aspect the old smoke dragons were safer.

But hey..I have wore out my welcome and will move on.
I just hope I have opened a few eyes to the craziness of not having control over that secondary air...epa be damned.

 

[Pallet Pete]

You so consistently speak with such declarative authority, maybe you should start up your own forum. :roll:[/quote]

+1000

 

[rdust]

IMHO it is operator error when there stoves run away from them, it is mostly people who have limited time with their set up, after they get familar with the stove and chimney there is not a problem. Have been reading these run away threads going on 2 years now and I think once they figure it out the problem goes away.

A lot of it is the stove and chimney set up imo. I believe the Lopi I had liked to run hot and my chimney(27' insulated liner plus 36" or so of double wall pipe) didn't help matters. When it was cold it didn't matter how I turned it down it would just keep climbing with the air shut down fully. Even when it didn't run away it wanted to cruise in the 650-700 range which was too hot for this place unless it was single digit cold.

 

[oldspark]

IMHO it is operator error when there stoves run away from them, it is mostly people who have limited time with their set up, after they get familar with the stove and chimney there is not a problem. Have been reading these run away threads going on 2 years now and I think once they figure it out the problem goes away.

A lot of it is the stove and chimney set up imo. I believe the Lopi I had liked to run hot and my chimney(27' insulated liner plus 36" or so of double wall pipe) didn't help matters. When it was cold it didn't matter how I turned it down it would just keep climbing with the air shut down fully. Even when it didn't run away it wanted to cruise in the 650-700 range which was too hot for this place unless it was single digit cold.

Did you ever try a flue damper?

 

[rdust]

But hey..I have wore out my welcome and will move on.

Now you're just being dramatic! :lol:

Everyone here knows the BK stoves are the best 24/7 heaters around you don't need to keep rubbing salt in their wounds. I joke I joke.....Really I'm joking....:lol:

 

[rdust]

Did you ever try a flue damper?

I did and had mixed results, if I closed it down once the stove was going it raised the stove temps by slowing down the heat leaving the stove. When I started it out with it closed down some it had good results. My main issue with that was adding another level of attention to it that I didn't want my wife dealing with. If I wouldn't have found such a deal on the BK I was going to set it up so it was indexed(internal steps so it would "click" into place) making it easier to use.

 

[DanCorcoran]

One more thing on saftey if I may..

When your running high stove temps ..so is your stack..chimney.
I know all that is supposed to take it fine..but most of the time there is a house around all that..usually made out of wood.

Old timers years ago used to run a hot fire once a day..thinking that if they were to have a chimney fire it would be a small one.
Some did it thinking it helped keep their chimney clean.

I don't like either thought.

Hearthstone recommends running a hot fire once a day. But hot within limits, not glowing-red hot.

Edit: Sorry, I didn't realize you had left to start your own forum. Bye!

 

[simple.serf]

One of the first times I fired my stove with really dry pine, it ran away... It was one of my first non break in fires in the stove. Started WOT after filling, let her get good and hot (400 or so) then closed the damper. My gauge stops at 850 and a spot on the top turned red.

I ended up plugging the intakes with tinfoil.

New rule after that. No more pine. Period.

I never burned pine in the older stoves, due to possible creosote issues. Figured I would give it a try in this stove. Bad idea.

 

[HotCoals]

One more thing on saftey if I may..

When your running high stove temps ..so is your stack..chimney.
I know all that is supposed to take it fine..but most of the time there is a house around all that..usually made out of wood.

Old timers years ago used to run a hot fire once a day..thinking that if they were to have a chimney fire it would be a small one.
Some did it thinking it helped keep their chimney clean.

I don't like either thought.

Hearthstone recommends running a hot fire once a day. But hot within limits, not glowing-red hot.

Edit: Sorry, I didn't realize you had left to start your own forum. Bye!

Did they tell you why they recommend that..did you ask?
As the thread states..I'm curious.

It's going to take me a few days to get a site up...

 

[oldspark]

You wonder why they would recomend this, why would you wonder that?

 

[HotCoals]

You wonder why they would recomend this, why would you wonder that?

I'll throw it back at you..why did they say that.
It is a leading question.

I'll wait for his response.

 

[oldspark]

Woodburning 101

 

[HotCoals]

Woodburning 101

I'm waiting..