King Deluxe KP130 questions

[scd666]

Just purchased a new King Deluxe kp130 to replace my moms pellet stove that died. Installed with no issues. Did their dry run and everything checked out fine. Followed the manual and set it to Hr-3 for the break in time.

Started and fired up just fine. At first it had a nice flame and smooth burn going then it started to look like popcorn bouncing all around in the pot. Been running for 24 hours plus now and the flame shows up and then dies off. Pellets drop in and flame comes up and dies off. It stays burning but no constant flame. Sometimes you can hear the exhaust blow ramp up and die off just as fast. Other issue is now the glass is really dirty.

It has helped heat her house but I would think it would be doing a better job than it has. Any help would be appreciated.

 

[johneh]

Welcome to the forum
Get out the manual and read page 14
tells you what to expect and how to adjust
With a new stove, you are on a steep learning curve
Read the whole manual till you understand your stove

 

[scd666]

I've read the manual I don't know how many times and just can't get it tuned and don't know what to try. I've seen some people about getting to adjusting the factory settings but some of those don't seem to get working.

 

[Ssyko]

Sonds like yoy have to much drat. Push the drat fan button down one time and wait 15 min to see the results. Do this as needed. You want pellets to move a little bit but not fly out of the pot

 

[scd666]

Right now its on automatic. The only thing I was thinking is maybe I don't have enough pellets in the pot so its not keeping a constant flame. The only adjustment I made was turn down the feed from the factory set 4.5pph to 3. But still no constant flame to see

 

[scd666]

So I just did a fresh clean and restart of it. I adjusted the draft and managed to have a nice smooth flame and little to no popcorning. But once it hit a certain temp it stopped feeding and almost burned out. Then the room fan kicked on and the flame died down and you can see it fluctuate. There also isn't much in the pot.

 

[johneh]

A fluctuating flame is normal when burning on low
The flame looks right

 

[scd666]

Well it is still set on hr-3, and as I posted i have the feed on 3.0. The book doesn't tell me what the hr levels are.

 

[FirepotPete]

Right now its on automatic. The only thing I was thinking is maybe I don't have enough pellets in the pot so its not keeping a constant flame. The only adjustment I made was turn down the feed from the factory set 4.5pph to 3. But still no constant flame to see

Get a note book if you don't have one, write down what you changed so you can go back to prior settings when it burned better if needed.
Is you board the 4 button panel? I assume it is as you stated you changed the feed rate from 4.5pph to 3 pph. What you did there is lower the highest feed rate so what ever your board is set for on the lowest setting HR1 remained the same.
Reset the highest feed rate by pushing the AUX UP and HR UP buttons at the same time and move that number back to 4.5 pph. Then push the ON button to make sure the change takes on the board.
If you want to know what your HR1 feed rate is push the AUX Down and the HR down buttons at the same time. The number will flash and that is the pph for HR1.
So between the highest feed rate and the lowest feed rate the board automatically changes all the HR's proportionally. Same with the DF settings.
Don't change anything unless you write down the change(s) and wait to see how the stove reacts to the change(s).

 

[scd666]

The only thing I know i went in and changed was the feed rate for hr3, everything else was set to auto and I dropped the draft down to 6 from auto. Its running ok but just not a nice big flame like she used to have with her old stove. Just trying to get it to throw heat. Only thing that threw me off was I had a nice flame before the room fan kicked on and it stopped feeding for a minute and then started feeding again and just not the full flame it was.

 

[FirepotPete]

How many HRs does your board have? HR1-HR5 or HR1-HR9?

 

[scd666]

1-5, right now its on 3

 

[FirepotPete]

1-5, right now its on 3

Okay. I understand that you changed the feed rate while the stove was on HR3. But you didn't change the feed rate for HR3 (at least directly) you changed the HR5 feed rate. The board controls all the HR setting except HR1 and HR5, those are adjustable. If you drop only the HR5 pph the lowest HR1 rate remains the same. All of the other HR's in between will lose, proportionally by how much you drop the HR5 pph setting.

 

[scd666]

Ok, now that makes some sense, so if I would raise the feed back up to 4.5 like it came factory preset, and leave it on 3 it would be back at what 3 was set for? Is there a way to see what the setting is for 3?

 

[FirepotPete]

Ok, now that makes some sense, so if I would raise the feed back up to 4.5 like it came factory preset, and leave it on 3 it would be back at what 3 was set for? Is there a way to see what the setting is for 3?

No way to see it. Takes a little math, I have some of mine written down and in from of me but it will be a while before I can turn a light on to see. Mine goes from HR1-HR9 but it is the exact same concept and I'll try and explain how to figure yours out.
You will need the HR1 pph number and the HR5 pph number to figure it out. Actually if you post those I can start on the math and show you how to figure it out. There is a formula but not sure if I have that nearby.

 

[scd666]

I put 5 back up to 4.5, I checked and hr1 is set to 1.75

 

[FirepotPete]

Can you do the same thing with the draft settings? DF UP AUX UP and then the down buttons?
Don't change anything on them.
This will tell us the lowest and highest exhaust rate, it changes with the HR setting as far as HR1 or HR3.

 

[scd666]

I never changed those numbers, but they are 300 and 100

 

[FirepotPete]

I'll try and make this easy to read, I don't have a good graph maker.

Current settings HR1@ 1.75pph [email protected] The pph rates when you changed the HR5pph

HR1 1.75pph HR1 1.75pph
HR2 2.43pph HR2 2.0625pph
HR3 3.125pph HR3 2.375pph
HR4 3.8125pph HR4 2.6875pph
HR5 4.5pph HR5 3pph

So to figure it out we will take the settings on the left.
Subtract 1.75 from 4.5 =2.75 divide 2.75 by 2 = 1.375 divide 1.375 by 2 = 0.6875. 0.6875 is the constant of change in pph from HR1 - HR5.
HR1 1.75 + 0.6875 = 2.43pph or HR2's feed rate
HR2 2.43 + 0.6875 = 3.125 pph and so on.

The same thing works for the DF settings. Once you have the stove running good on HR1 then is the time to try and get the most heat out of the stove.

Write this chit down though

 

[FirepotPete]

Well that didn't show up like I typed it. The HR numbers are squished together. If you can't figure it out give a shout, and the auto mod doesn't like the word chit, LOL!
ETA: the constant for the HR1 @ 1.75 and HR5 @ 3 is 0.3215.

 

[scd666]

Thanks so much. I'll have to check things out another time since I'm no longer over at her house. But that gives alot more info than the factory manual lol. Right now I just left it at hr3 to see how it does. She has a bi level house so it will take a bit to flow up but seemed better when I set it back to where it should have been on 5 and kept it at hr3.

I left the draft at 6 instead of auto and seems to be doing good when I left. There seems to be a little smell like the initial burn off but I think thats due to the change I did st the wrong time but it looks good.

I know this probably sounds dumb but what do you mean by doing things with the df settings? I think for her house hr 2 or will serve her well but have to see how it goes.

By the way love the packer icon, I'm a huge pack fan as well.

 

[FirepotPete]

Thanks so much. I'll have to check things out another time since I'm no longer over at her house. But that gives alot more info than the factory manual lol. Right now I just left it at hr3 to see how it does. She has a bi level house so it will take a bit to flow up but seemed better when I set it back to where it should have been on 5 and kept it at hr3.

I left the draft at 6 instead of auto and seems to be doing good when I left. There seems to be a little smell like the initial burn off but I think thats due to the change I did st the wrong time but it looks good.

I know this probably sounds dumb but what do you mean by doing things with the df settings? I think for her house hr 2 or will serve her well but have to see how it goes.

By the way love the packer icon, I'm a huge pack fan as well.

The DF are the draft fan settings, you said they were at 100 and 300, correct? I don't know your stove that well or how it is installed but I know the board and those settings seem low to me.
Perhaps someone else with hands on will chime in about those draft settings but that is one thing you will need to consider to get the lowest pph setting and a good, half way clean burn. I real clean burn on the lowest hr is impractical, just the science of the fire and the low amount of fuel needed for a low heat producing fire.

Ya, I can see Lambeau from my living room, the south endzone screen, I can watch replays before they are on TV, LOL.
You are from PA, my uncle played for the Steelers back in the '40's. They didn't wear any kind of mask back in those days. His nose was next to his ear.

 

[scd666]

Yeah those are the settings that were displayed when I checked them. Like I said it was burning decent when I left. Maybe I will luck out and someone with the same stove or experience with it will come by and have some more info. I also thought about contacting the manufacturer and get some pointers or something.

And your lucky to be that close to Lambeau, got a buddy of mine who works there.

 

[scd666]

How about this, via text the company informed me I installed it wrong and I need to change it to work better.

 

[Ryan McGomery]

Welcome to the forum
Get out the manual and read page 14
tells you what to expect and how to adjust
With a new stove, you are on a steep learning curve
Read the whole manual till you understand your stove

The manual that comes with our stove is very limited in what it tells you. It didn't even tell you how to adjust lbs/hr.