Looking for the following in a new stove, does it exist?

[Nigel459]

Hi all,

Hope your summers are going well

I'm looking for a stove for another small space of ~700sf which also has supplemental electric baseboards.

Looking for as many of the following aspects as possible:

-modern/contemporary look
-low profile, i.e. e/w log orientation with right-side loading
-ideally flue out the top (again for low-profile), i.e. not out-the-backpack-then up like a Jotul or Regency H300
-cat stove for low output capability ideally, but something that can hold a 6-8 hr burn in non-cat would be fine (but I know this means a maybe too-large heat burst at the beginning of the cycle, or maybe soapstone could mitigate this?...)

I have and love my BK sirocco 20 and its performance would be suitable for said space, but looking for something even lower profile. The woodstock Keystone looks like it would be perfect size and flue configuration but alas they are not officially certified for use in Canada... plus the hassle of getting it shipped here. Plus I think their required clearances are actually somewhat large in the rear.

From previous shopping I'm familiar with Jotul, Regency, PE, and BK offerings but will keep searching all manufacturers' sites--just thought I'd throw it out there to you experts too.

Thanks! Now back to stacking all the nice dry ash around here...

 

[Nigel459]

Ok, I guess not, haha.

After digging around I did find something that ticks most of the boxes for me: the Hearthstone Green Mountain 40/60.

These stoves are nice contemporary looking e-w loaders with cats. As they are new stoves, I'm a little leery of trying one, but might be up for being a guinea pig.

I did find a facebook video that proclaimed the GM 60 got a 16hr burn with good coals left for relight. That would do the trick nicely.

Still not much to go on, but what I can find around hearth.com is that the steel/cast hearthstones have been solid performers. Jury is still out on important things like replacement cat prices and of course, durability/longevity...

Any more thoughts on, or experiences with these stoves?

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[begreen]

Yes, it's new. I can't recall any reports yet. Hybrids are not new and there are some successful models on the market. In theory the cat(s) should last longer because secondary combustion has already cleaned up a large portion of unburnt gases. thechimneysweep, have you run any of the Green Mountain models yet?

 

[thechimneysweep]

No feedback on the Green Mountain models yet, but Hearthstone used the same hybrid technology in their Castleton model, and it is getting rave reviews.

 

[Nigel459]

Thanks very much to you both for chiming in

I'll let you know how the journey goes if we do give it a whirl...

Cheers!

 

[begreen]

webby3650 have you installed any Green Mountains yet? Any thoughts?

 

[webby3650]

webby3650 have you installed any Green Mountains yet? Any thoughts?

No, I saw them burning at the trade show. I wasn’t impressed. It looks pretty vulnerable to me. The cat is sitting right out front in the flames, no flame shield, and nothing to keep fly ash from filling it up.. Maybe they will or have changed the design, trade show stoves don’t always come to market as shown.

 

[webby3650]

I’ve been pretty down on hearthstone for a while now. The color matching, and fit and finish has been lacking for a while now, not to mention all the cracked stones I see...

 

[begreen]

The cats on the Green Mountain seem to be sitting at the back of the baffle. They are serviced from the rear. Wondering if the long flamepath plus secondary pre-combustion help protect the cat somewhat.

 

[webby3650]

The cats on the Green Mountain seem to be sitting at the back of the baffle. They are serviced from the rear. Wondering if the long flamepath plus secondary pre-combustion help protect the cat somewhat.

Sounds like they changed it from the design I saw then. Good!
I’m pretty hung up on this Woodstock, but I’m selling it. It doesn’t fit into the remodel with the rear exit. I’ll be picking up one of the new products for the space, not sure yet what it will be.

 

[branchburner]

The Woodstock Keystone looks like it would be perfect size and flue configuration but alas they are not officially certified for use in Canada... plus the hassle of getting it shipped here. Plus I think their required clearances are actually somewhat large in the rear...

This should in no way be considered advice, but... I'm the kinda guy that might ignore the certification, ignore the required clearances, and deal with the hassle of getting it shipped or picking it up. I love Woodstock the company, my Woodstock stove, and looks and design of the Woodstock Keystone. And oh, did I mention? This should in no way be considered advice (see profile below).

 

[begreen]

I'm the kinda guy that might ignore the certification, ignore the required clearances, and deal with the hassle of getting it shipped or picking it up.

Enthusiasm understood, but ignoring clearances is bad advice. Dealing with them via shielding if possible is a much better plan.

 

[webby3650]

Enthusiasm understood, but ignoring clearances is bad advice. Dealing with them via shielding if possible is a much better plan.

Agreed. Further clearance reduction isn’t allowed a lot of the time though, no matter how it’s done. It’s “probably” fine. Insurance sure won’t care if there’s a claim, you’re not covered.

 

[branchburner]

Enthusiasm understood, but ignoring clearances is bad advice. Dealing with them via shielding if possible is a much better plan.

Yes, ignoring was the wrong word. I initially "ignored" the mantle above my stove by entirely forgetting it was even there, but I did immediately "deal" with it when I suddenly noticed that it could be a real problem. I don't even know if I dealt with it in a code-compliant way, to be honest, but the mantle does not get hot. It is shielded.

I do know the loose perlite surrounding my liner is not code compliant. But I also can't see that likely either being an actual problem, or leading to a denial of a claim (though I do see the possibility of being proven wrong).

So at the same time I have respect for why the rules exist, I am of the mind that at least some of what "to code" means is CYA-oriented, and perhaps excessive. Of course Webby's point about insurance should be the logical point of departure for anyone: if you are going to be enthusiastic enough to risk burning your house down, you'd better be enthusiastic enough to risk paying for it out of your own pocket, if not risking human life itself.

Which is why I said... this should in no way be considered advice (and therefore cannot be considered "bad advice." See how I pulled off my own CYA there?)