New 2016 ZC fireplaces

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I did take pic of the RSF when I was at the show. It is a beast. Don't remember seeing any other stove entries.
 

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When at HPBA in SLC I was impressed by the output of the Delta 2. The radiant heat was intense.
 
hmm, that's interesting on the napoleans. i recall looking at their other models (3000, 6000) and their emissions were poor. they must have made a technological leap since!
 
EPA testing is done with the glass door closed. Normally the glass door is only opened for loading. However, there is a screen option for use which one can assume is for ambience and not efficient.
 
I really like the Napoleon 6000. Also, wonder how much that big chunk coffee table is!!!
 
mol1jb said:
I dont understand how an open fireplace can be that efficient? Maybe I'm missing something.
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I don't see where they claim any efficiency, only the emissions. It is interesting that the emissions are stated as grams per kilogram instead of grams per hour of PM that you see for stoves. I assume this is PM emissions per kg of wood fired, but I don't really know. I can imagine these units easily burning 3-5 kg/hr of wood so the emissions maybe higher than they appear.
 
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According to the literature these units will burn up to ~23 kg in a load. Neither fireplace is listed in the official EPA list yet. That should have the gm/hr rating when they are listed.
 
These appear to be traditional low efficiency, radiant heat type fireplaces for ambiance, They also seem to refer to a different EPA standard. Maybe these type of fireplaces come under a different set of rules.
 
They're part wood stove part fireplace, they can throw some heat or even tie into a duct system and heat your house that way.
 
Personally, I find the Napoleon NZ3000 zero clearance FP to be stunning in looks - both its traditional and modern faceplates. I've this comment from a lot of other members as well.

But since it's a rather inefficient unit (efficiency percentage not even published - bad sign), combined with some operational problems from actual hearth.com owners - I just can't justify paying their hefty price.

I could be in the minority with this sentiment, but I suspect not. Feel free to chime in with your comments / experiences.

Matt
 
Unsure about the new Napoleons, but if the RSF Delta Fusion is based on the Delta2 firebox then it should be a clean and efficient burner. The Delta 2 is EPA tested at 3.8 gm/hr. which is laudable for a large 4.4cu ft fireplace.
 
begreen said:
RSF has a new version in their Delta line. It's 4.4 cu ft with the Delta Bay but with an integrated top vent. Looks sharp. Winner of the the 2016 HPBA Vesta award.
http://www.hearthandhome.com/products/delta_fusion_fireplace.html

Napoleon is introducing two jumbo EPA 2 fireplaces this spring, the NZ7000 and NZ8000. They are contemporary in design with counterbalanced doors. Each takes a 50lb load of wood.
http://napoleonfireplaces.com/products_categories/wood-fireplaces/
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We have had the Delta Fusion (2016 model 4.4 cft box) for 2 years and we are extremely unhappy with it. The "single burn rate" sounded like a great idea but in reality has been nothing but a pain in the rear. You can't get the fire to stay lit unless you open and shut the door for the first hour. If you leave the door open the box won't heat up enough to open it's interior airflow, and if you close it the fire goes out. We have followed all the directions exactly and that is still the result - no matter what kind of wood we burn or how we stack it. If you burn anything less than 4 logs at a time the whole glass is covered with soot after one day. BUT it puts out so much heat that if you burn 4 logs at a time you can't stand to be in the same room with it after it's been going for 5-6 hours. (we have it in a 900 sq ft great room with vaulted ceiling) There is also no way to bank it overnight so that you don't have to start the fire from scratch in the morning. It doesn't matter how many logs you put in (we have tried everything from 1 to 8) before bed (at midnight) and still you get barely warm embers and have to start from scratch the next morning (at 6 am). Very disappointing all around.
 
Good to know. I have only seen the original Delta Bay burning. That fireplace does have very strong radiant heat. I could see it being too much heat for 900 sq ft if this area is not wide open to other parts of the house. How well seasoned is the wood being burned?
 
begreen said:
Good to know. I have only seen the original Delta Bay burning. That fireplace does have very strong radiant heat. I could see it being too much heat for 900 sq ft if this area is not wide open to other parts of the house. How well seasoned is the wood being burned?
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We have an open floor plan - great room to kitchen and hall and other rooms - I was giving the size of the room itself so people could relate it to their own spaces. All wood is seasoned 2 years (or more):)
 
If the heat is driving you out of the room perhaps adding a fan blowing air from the cooler area of the house into the great room would help even out temperatures.
 
heardafrog2 said:
We have had the Delta Fusion (2016 model 4.4 cft box) for 2 years and we are extremely unhappy with it. The "single burn rate" sounded like a great idea but in reality has been nothing but a pain in the rear. You can't get the fire to stay lit unless you open and shut the door for the first hour. If you leave the door open the box won't heat up enough to open it's interior airflow, and if you close it the fire goes out. We have followed all the directions exactly and that is still the result - no matter what kind of wood we burn or how we stack it. If you burn anything less than 4 logs at a time the whole glass is covered with soot after one day. BUT it puts out so much heat that if you burn 4 logs at a time you can't stand to be in the same room with it after it's been going for 5-6 hours. (we have it in a 900 sq ft great room with vaulted ceiling) There is also no way to bank it overnight so that you don't have to start the fire from scratch in the morning. It doesn't matter how many logs you put in (we have tried everything from 1 to 8) before bed (at midnight) and still you get barely warm embers and have to start from scratch the next morning (at 6 am). Very disappointing all around.
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Hello Bergen,
We purchased the Delta Fusion about the same time you did and now(Dec. 2018) ....as of a week ago have started to have the same issues that you have.
Extensive smoke in the box when starting fire, a hard time keeping a fire going "well", and every time we go to close the door, the fire slows way down. It appears t not get enough air and almost looks like it is choking itself. We had the chimney cleaned in Sept.2018, had it inspected and video inspected and everything looks great. The same guy came out again when this issue appeared and still everything is fine. We started a fire with him here so he could see what happens and he feels that somewhere the air not flowing completely. We are looking into the air intake tube in the front between the 2 adorns to see if there might be a partial blockage there, we also are checking into the small lever that is on the box that is connected to the bimetallic coil which is located next to the flue opening.
Have you found ANY solution to your similar problem?? The fireplace works really well and heats the house terrific our problem is the initial start with all the smoke and keeping the fire burning well. We are along with our fireplace/chimney guy are investigating this and we are also in contact with the company so hopefully we find this.
 
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