New 30nc Englander

[geoxman]

After many years with my Dutchwest FA288 Cat stove I installed a new Englander NC30 stove. I have been on this site for a few years and I know quite a bit about burning.

The question I have is that I have a 55ft lined 6 inch chimney and I had a pipe damper with the old stove and I used it ALL the time and still had very clean burns.

I have always used catalytic stoves but never the stoves with the burn tubes.

I have fired the NC30 a few times with 2-3 year old seasoned mulberry and I am only getting about a 3-4 hour burn out of the load. The secondaries are roaring and the bouncing flame and large glass view is great!

Is it ok to install a pipe damper on my flu to slow down the burn with the tube stoves? I have the stove damper all the way dialed back and it still churns way too hot and fast.

The temp stays right around 6-800 on the top of the stove and I am sure it is getting too much draw.
TIA

 

[bholler]

hell yes put in a damper on a 55' chimney

 

[3650]

I've read quite a few posts about that stove only having a 3-4hour burn time. You may have down graded. Why did you get rid of the Dutchwest? I'm just curious because I was considering one.

 

[BrotherBart]

Is that first floor chimney growing. A few years ago it was 45'. Later it was 52'. Now it is 55'. Quit watering that thing.

 

[BrotherBart]

I've read quite a few posts about that stove only having a 3-4hour burn time. You may have down graded. Why did you get rid of the Dutchwest? I'm just curious because I was considering one.

That stove has been logging twelve hour burns in this house for nine years now.

 

[geoxman]

I've read quite a few posts about that stove only having a 3-4hour burn time. You may have down graded. Why did you get rid of the Dutchwest? I'm just curious because I was considering one.

I still have it and it is on the deck as I type. I heard a lot of great things about the NC30 stove here and on other sites. I do like the view of the NC30 and if I cant get it to work the 288 will go back in.

 

[bholler]

I've read quite a few posts about that stove only having a 3-4hour burn time. You may have down graded. Why did you get rid of the Dutchwest? I'm just curious because I was considering one.

New i think the dutch west was a better stove and if that stove was sold today it would cost 2 to 3 times the 30nc. But it is and onld stove that was just worn out. And run correctly a 30 can get pretty decent burn times. Put a damper on it it will work good

 

[geoxman]

Is that first floor chimney growing. A few years ago it was 45'. Later it was 52'. Now it is 55'. Quit watering that thing.

the sweep last fall had to use a 60ft extension and said it was around 55ft. The first guess at 45 was eyeballing it. So I will stay at 52-55 ft as that is what the sweeps have stated. Either way 45 or 55 is a tall chimney and I will try a damper on the exit of the stove. The looks and the view on the stove are very appealing.

 

[bholler]

He has to use a 60' extension ladder? or just 60' of rods? i only ask because i am curious what sweeps there charge to get out the 60 footer.

 

[BrotherBart]

Yeah I never get tired of that big view of the fire.

 

[geoxman]

He has to use a 60' extension ladder? or just 60' of rods? i only ask because i am curious what sweeps there charge to get out the 60 footer.

The mortar at the top of the chimney need some minor tuck pointing and I needed a new cap installed. The other one blew off about a year or so back and when it hit the ground it was bent all to hell. I ran about a half a year without one but I did not feel comfortable.
The tuck pointing, cap, flashing replacement and sweep ran me a little under a grand! Gotta love old homes and the maintenance!
It did take 3 guys to man the ladder and there is not much space between my neighbors house and mine, older city brick homes.

I have rods and use them once a season but about every 18-24 months I prefer a sweep to go from the top down. As you know most of the crap is at the top!

This guy used a weight on the end of the brush and that was the first time I had seen that.

 

[webby3650]

The cat Dutchwest is still sold. It's a very unimpressive stove in my opinion. We sell them, run one in the show room, and I have had a few. That 30 should blow it away! I'm curious why you didn't put a pipe damper on it?

 

[geoxman]

The cat Dutchwest is still sold. It's a very unimpressive stove in my opinion. We sell them, run one in the show room, and I have had a few. That 30 should blow it away! I'm curious why you didn't put a pipe damper on it?

From what I have seen the newer DW stoves are much smaller than the 288 and the design is a little different.
I did not put a damper on it because I did not know if you were not suppose to with the tube stoves. My manual on the 288 recommends it.
I will throw on the damper tomorrow AM and see if that helps with the burn time. TIA

edit..I cant say how much I enjoy the view of the fire. The old Encore had a decent air wash but the DW had none and I really like the view

 

[webby3650]

From what I have seen the newer DW stoves are much smaller than the 288 and the design is a little different.
I did not put a damper on it because I did not know if you were not suppose to with the tube stoves. My manual on the 288 recommends it.
I will throw on the damper tomorrow AM and see if that helps with the burn time. TIA

The DW stove design hasn't changed much at all Since their beginning. The air control, and doors are about it.

 

[geoxman]

The DW stove design hasn't changed much at all Since their beginning. The air control, and doors are about it.

I have noticed the sliding air control VS the brass knobs that you burn your fingers on. All in all the DW gave me years of great heat and very little maintenance. There is still a 264 on the 2nd floor and it heats that floor as well as the third.
Looking forward to learning the ins and outs of this stove as it is a bit different.

 

[Charles1981]

I am kind of wondering how a NC30 would run on my ~28 foot 6 inch chimney especially if my VC ever craps out.

I think for the price I would have to give it a try, because my chimney pulls exceptionally hard, but the NC30 requires a 8in liner.

The next cheaper but more expensive option would be a IS to fit my 6inch chimney.

But I have 3 years of the VC under the belt with no serious concerns so hopefully it lasts 5-10 more seasons.. maybe.

 

[geoxman]

I am kind of wondering how a NC30 would run on my ~28 foot 6 inch chimney especially if my VC ever craps out.

I think for the price I would have to give it a try, because my chimney pulls exceptionally hard, but the NC30 requires a 8in liner.

The next cheaper but more expensive option would be a IS to fit my 6inch chimney.

But I have 3 years of the VC under the belt with no serious concerns so hopefully it lasts 5-10 more seasons.. maybe.

the nc30 is a 6in

 

[Dieselhead]

55' chiminey has to be a record are you in an apartment building?

 

[geoxman]

55' chiminey has to be a record are you in an apartment building?

house built in 1904, 3 &1/2 stories. Top floor was servant quarters with back stair entrance and that is now the master suite. Great house all original wood work, panel doors, crown molding, wanes coating all oak and not painted, plaster and windows..including stained glass. I can't touch anything because of historic preservation. been here since 2000
The chimney rises about 15 feet above the peak of the slate roof.
yes it as tall!

 

[Hoozie]

Either a pipe damper, or a magnet over (most?) of the small rectangular hole above the 3" main air inlet on the back/bottom of the stove. This will limit the air to just the secondaries.

 

[geoxman]

The damper did the trick! The house was a bit chilly when I left for work so I loaded up some silver maple, got the blue flames going, killed the air to the secondaries, shut the pipe damper and there were still coals when I got home. Thanks again

edit. I am still amazed by the view of the fire vs the 288!