Rabbit almost dead in same room as stove

[dicon77]

Whoa. My son's rabbit was just laid out flat on her side, her eyes rolled up in her head. My daughter noticed it and tapped at Fritz's foot and the rabbit got up. We immediately took her outside for fresh air. She's fine now. The rabbit was NOT stiff, as in a seizure, in fact very limp. It's a small rabbit, a Polish is the breed. She is only 3 years old.

So, I wonder as we are breaking in our new stove; what caused this. Am I doing something wrong? Right now with our third break-in fire it is NOT smoky in the room, but you can smell a "fireplace" smell. I don't smell any paint fumes. Are rabbits susceptible to - is it carbon monoxide/dioxide? Do I need to worry about my family? Kids preteen and teen?

I indeed am moving the rabbit's cage out of the room.

Jodi

 

[fishinpa]

I'd get a carbon monoxide detector... like tonight!

 

[skinnykid]

Weird!! I would check it out real good. Don't you have a carbon monoxide detecter in the stove room? You should if you don't.

On a side note, we had a rabbit for a short time a long time ago when I was a kid. My mom cleaned its cage and surrounding area with Pine-sol or whatever. Not long after the cleaning the rabbit was stiff as a board.

Maybe they are real fragile animals.

 

[LLigetfa]

Rabbits are extremely sensitive. That's why they're often used for cosmetics testing.

 

[Jimbob]

Maybe it was too hot in the area where the rabbit was. Imagine wearing a fur coat and sitting next to the stove all day.
Just a thought......

 

[BrotherBart]

A possibility?

http://www.springerlink.com/content/r76204115m547610/

 

[dicon77]

Not sure if it's okay to copy someone's work onto forum, so here's the link. They say copper and magnesium, too. It says that when the compound is being made (by burning zinc), breathing those fumes will cause condition known as metal fume fever, and that it is extremely unpleasant much like the worst case of flu, including muscle pain, shakes, dizziness. They do say it goes away with no cumulative effects. It happens to welders using electric arc on galvanized steel.

I'm not panicking Now I know. We removed the rabbit. Will get carbon monoxide detector in the morning.

Now when my son comes home, he will want to know why the rabbit has been moved. That's good, though. He'll see firsthand how important it is to know what you're doing, learn as much as you can, research, get opinions.

http://www.haz-map.com/inhalati.htm

Thanks again.

 

[Jfk4th]

Whoa. My son's rabbit was just laid out flat on her side, her eyes rolled up in her head. My daughter noticed it and tapped at Fritz's foot and the rabbit got up. We immediately took her outside for fresh air. She's fine now. The rabbit was NOT stiff, as in a seizure, in fact very limp. It's a small rabbit, a Polish is the breed. She is only 3 years old.

So, I wonder as we are breaking in our new stove; what caused this. Am I doing something wrong? Right now with our third break-in fire it is NOT smoky in the room, but you can smell a "fireplace" smell. I don't smell any paint fumes. Are rabbits susceptible to - is it carbon monoxide/dioxide? Do I need to worry about my family? Kids preteen and teen?

I indeed am moving the rabbit's cage out of the room.

Jodi

Kids, pregnant women and pets should not be in the room at all when breaking in a fire. Every time you smell that curring smell I would open all the windows and make sure all the little ones are out. If you are going to burn your stove hot I would do this by yourself when everybody is away. Burn it hot for about 4 or 5 days for 5 to 6 hours each time and that smell will be long gone (unless you burn it much hotter then the 4 or 5 days). If you look hard on the 'net you will find that curring paint fumes are not good to breath in. Be very careful :long:

 

[fossil]

You told us all about your rabbit (I'm really glad she's OK!), but you told us nothing about the appliance or the installation. Where would zinc fumes be coming from? Do you have galvanized components somewhere in the system? If not, then perhaps that's not what is was all about. Rick

 

[dicon77]

The stove installer is NFI certified. The stove is a QuadraFire Cumberland, cast iron. I have no idea about zinc or any of that. I guess that would depend on the type of paint.

My husband says his guess is it's the paint fumes. (He just got home and we told him about it.) He says he would think we need to get the fire hotter, as so far hottest was 400 degrees. He said last night, after I had gone up to bed, it did smell.

 

[mikepinto65]

Dicon77 I'm assuming since you didnt answer bout the c.o. detector that means you have one near the stove or in the same room???? I really hope so, all that other talk seems ways far fetched. My number one concern would be c.o. not maybe its the break in process. Thats just me though

 

[mikepinto65]

Maybe it was too hot in the area where the rabbit was. Imagine wearing a fur coat and sitting next to the stove all day.
Just a thought......

My old man has a rabbit in his house, the things lays by the stove all day hot as hell and loves it. They love the heat thats why he was there in the first place

 

[fossil]

It'll take a few burns to cure the finish, and during that process, ventilation is essential. Your owner's manual should contain some guidance concerning that "break-in" period. My totally amateur guess would be possibly a combination of the fumes and the heat. In any case, I'm glad Fritz is OK now. I'm curious...you called the rabbit "she", and you called the rabbit "Fritz"...? Rick

 

[mikepinto65]

Whoa. My son's rabbit was just laid out flat on her side, her eyes rolled up in her head. My daughter noticed it and tapped at Fritz's foot and the rabbit got up. We immediately took her outside for fresh air. She's fine now. The rabbit was NOT stiff, as in a seizure, in fact very limp. It's a small rabbit, a Polish is the breed. She is only 3 years old.

So, I wonder as we are breaking in our new stove; what caused this. Am I doing something wrong? Right now with our third break-in fire it is NOT smoky in the room, but you can smell a "fireplace" smell. I don't smell any paint fumes. Are rabbits susceptible to - is it carbon monoxide/dioxide? Do I need to worry about my family? Kids preteen and teen?

I indeed am moving the rabbit's cage out of the room.

Jodi

Maybe its just me but that part here that says its not smokey in the room, you can smell a fireplace smell, and i dont smell any paint fumes is a dead giveaway that there is probably a reverse draft goin on with light coals and carbon monoxide drafted back in.

 

[dicon77]

Dicon77 I'm assuming since you didnt answer bout the c.o. detector that means you have one near the stove or in the same room???? I really hope so, all that other talk seems ways far fetched. My number one concern would be c.o. not maybe its the break in process. Thats just me though

I did answer, as I said I was buying one in the morning. As far as far fetched about paint fumes, which is what I'm talking about, I think not. Paint fumes are toxic, and a guess would be heated -- even worse, just a guess.

I know of 2 guys that are painters, paint cars (whatever difference that makes; I'm not a chemist) and they are "shot" really. Another is a commercial building painter, and he's shot, too. Mid 40s in age, but he's been shot.

 

[dicon77]

[Jodi[/quote]

Maybe its just me but that part here that says its not smokey in the room, you can smell a fireplace smell, and i dont smell any paint fumes is a dead giveaway that there is probably a reverse draft goin on with light coals and carbon monoxide drafted back in.[/quote]

Okay, noted above sounds good too - reverse draft. Now is that something I did wrong? When you say "light coals" do you mean few coals? Like not big enough fire?

I wonder if fire isn't big enough because having hard time getting it up to 400 degrees. I was putting 1 or 2 logs in. Today we put 4 maybe. We did have smoke in the room, I think it was 2 nights ago, which is 2 fires ago.

FOSSIL: My little boy wanted to name his new rabbit Fritz and wanted a boy rabbit. When we went to pick out the rabbit, she only had girls left. He kept the name. She's cute. Chocolate brown, pretty small. . .

 

[Adios Pantalones]

I have 3 house rabbits. Other house rabbit people have reported them worshipping the stove much like a cat or dog. I'm not used to my house rabbits being that lethargic, but I suppose the heat could cause that. Sometimes I need to poke my dog when she's sunning herself next to the insert.

 

[dicon77]

She was about 20 feet away from the stove. The room is 22 x 28 and she is on one side, stove on the other. I've seen her hot, such as over the summer when it gets 80 degrees in there and I'm too cheap to put AC on. It's a single-story room, so it gets hot. She will lie down, kinda regular, almost prone position, like when a dog lies down but head still up. This was flat, complete lateral recumbent position, if you will. ONly whites of her eyes, shallow breathing.

I'll be curious to see tomorrow. Will go get CO detector, get a good fire going, see what happens. Unless it was the new paint fumes, which would be why older stoves don't bother rabbits. Will post results.

 

[fossil]

...FOSSIL: My little boy wanted to name his new rabbit Fritz and wanted a boy rabbit. When we went to pick out the rabbit, she only had girls left. He kept the name. She's cute. Chocolate brown, pretty small. . .

Fritz she is then! I've no problem with that whatsoever. My first kitten I named Gandalf, after Gandalf the Gray, the wizard in the Tolkien books. Well, less than a year later, Gandalf went and had a litter of kittens herself. Many years later, we were adopted by a stray cat, who we were convinced was a female, so we named her Amelia because she was a lost traveler. Took Amelia to the vet and he said, "Well, Amelia's a neutered male." We renamed him Hobo. My best to Fritz! Rick

 

[pgmr]

The rabbit almost died? Is that like being almost pregnant??

 

[bsruther]

My son has a pet Rat that he keeps in the living room. Last week when I had a fire going in the insert, it was about 90 degrees in there so I moved the rat to another room. I figured that since he is so small, he might get cooked.

...FOSSIL: My little boy wanted to name his new rabbit Fritz and wanted a boy rabbit. When we went to pick out the rabbit, she only had girls left. He kept the name. She's cute. Chocolate brown, pretty small. . .

Fritz she is then! I've no problem with that whatsoever. My first kitten I named Gandalf, after Gandalf the Gray, the wizard in the Tolkien books. Well, less than a year later, Gandalf went and had a litter of kittens herself. Many years later, we were adopted by a stray cat, who we were convinced was a female, so we named her Amelia because she was a lost traveler. Took Amelia to the vet and he said, "Well, Amelia's a neutered male." We renamed him Hobo. My best to Fritz! Rick

A stray/discarded cat is what caused my toy fox terrier to get run over by a car last week. I told the wife, get rid of the cat or I will.
She gave the cat to someone. The next one might not be so lucky.

 

[dicon77]

lol, I wondered if someone was going to say that. From original post 7:26 to 11:55. Where have you been? What took you so long. Sheesh, imagine hubby coming home and I had to tell him rabbit died. Thank goodness she's okay is right <grin>

 

[pgmr]

lol, I wondered if someone was going to say that. From original post 7:26 to 11:55. Where have you been? What took you so long. Sheesh, imagine hubby coming home and I had to tell him rabbit died. Thank goodness she's okay is right <grin>

Sorry, I had a stand-up gig earlier....

 

[slindo]

You are right to be concerned, but I cannot help but recall that during the time we had a rabbit, she would give us near heart atttacks regularly in hot weather, due to what we started calling "BNDEs" - Bunny Near Death Experiences. We'd go by her cage and she'd be flopped out on her back in such a contorted and unlikely position that we would be absolutely sure that - this time - she was dead. Of course she never was, though she was often pretty thoroughly asleep and took some waking to confirm the fact. You'd think we would have learned after a while, but each time she managed to look so dramatically dead that it was absolutely convincing - in the 13 years we had her, she fooled us all this way dozens of times. They do like their heat, though I am sure they can get too much of it - she was black and whie, and when she lay in the sun her black spots would get almost too hot to touch.
But they are sensitve little creatures (electricity aside), so you are right to be cautious.

 

[Bigg_Redd]

Whoa. My son's rabbit was just laid out flat on her side, her eyes rolled up in her head. My daughter noticed it and tapped at Fritz's foot and the rabbit got up. We immediately took her outside for fresh air. She's fine now. The rabbit was NOT stiff, as in a seizure, in fact very limp. It's a small rabbit, a Polish is the breed. She is only 3 years old.

So, I wonder as we are breaking in our new stove; what caused this. Am I doing something wrong? Right now with our third break-in fire it is NOT smoky in the room, but you can smell a "fireplace" smell. I don't smell any paint fumes. Are rabbits susceptible to - is it carbon monoxide/dioxide? Do I need to worry about my family? Kids preteen and teen?

I indeed am moving the rabbit's cage out of the room.

Jodi

There's at least 1,000 reasons the rabbit did what it did (maybe it was bunny-dreaming?) and only 1 of those reasons could possibly be related to your wood stove.