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tmudd

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Jul 30, 2011
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Central Missouri Ranch
Howdy boiler buddies out there. Thanks again for the best boiler site anywhere. I am into my second season with the frohling 50 and h 1000 gallons of storage. Upon inspection before firing, I noticed rust particles in my system. Probably from one of the stacked tanks that I combined to make storage. I did an initial cleaning to get the oily residue, smell and particles out but seems to be more light scale after setting for the summer. Probably should have done more. I am planning a drain down and was wondering how the best way to condition my new refill . I am on well water with a softener and was looking for optimal ph. Do you guys recommend boiler treatment? What is in it and who makes the best product? Is softened water safe? Thanks for any responses.
tmudd
 
Test the water to see whats in it, both the boiler water and your makeup water. Did you drain the whole system? You should not need to do that, nor should you. There is array of boiler chemicals available to buffer just about any problem. Do you have a strainer or dirt trap on your system anywhere?

TS
 
Just rust particles or is the water rusty brown in color also? You don't say much about your system. A water test should indicate, IMO, whether water chemistry only needs to be addressed or whether the system should be drained and new water, with appropriate chemical added at the same time.

Two examples in my experience with my 1000 gal used LP tank for water storage. I too cleaned it as best I could, but I knew unknown stuff still was in the tank. I added a high temperature water filter to my system and was fairly surprised at the quantity of stuff trapped by the filter. I changed it monthly for a period of time, and then as I noticed that it no longer was trapping much stuff, I lengthened the time between changes, and now I haven't changed it for over a year, as the last change showed nothing visible in the filter.

As to water chemistry and draining and refilling the system, since I had very rusty water, I decided to drain and refill the system, but first I had the water professionally tested. You can get a pretty good read on the quality of your water with a swimming pool test kit, showing pH, total alkalinity and hardness. The pH is very important, especially if less than 7.0. But there are other components of water that also are important. The general rules I follow are pH as suggested by mfr or if no recommendation, pH 8.5 to 11.0; total alkalinity in a range of 250-700, not hard or overly soft water, and chemical to scrub free oxygen out of the water. In my case the refill was essential because my well supply water was pH 6.5 (acid), and I refilled from another water source that showed pH of 7.0 (neutral).

After the professional testing I bought the quantity of boiler chemical suggested by the testing and treated the water with the refill. Ever since, several years now, the water has remained clear and the filter remains clean.

I don't have experience with more than one boiler chemical tester and supplier, that being precisionchem.com. There are others available and you can decide what you want to do.
 
Just rust particles or is the water rusty brown in color also? You don't say much about your system. A water test should indicate, IMO, whether water chemistry only needs to be addressed or whether the system should be drained and new water, with appropriate chemical added at the same time.

Two examples in my experience with my 1000 gal used LP tank for water storage. I too cleaned it as best I could, but I knew unknown stuff still was in the tank. I added a high temperature water filter to my system and was fairly surprised at the quantity of stuff trapped by the filter. I changed it monthly for a period of time, and then as I noticed that it no longer was trapping much stuff, I lengthened the time between changes, and now I haven't changed it for over a year, as the last change showed nothing visible in the filter.

As to water chemistry and draining and refilling the system, since I had very rusty water, I decided to drain and refill the system, but first I had the water professionally tested. You can get a pretty good read on the quality of your water with a swimming pool test kit, showing pH, total alkalinity and hardness. The pH is very important, especially if less than 7.0. But there are other components of water that also are important. The general rules I follow are pH as suggested by mfr or if no recommendation, pH 8.5 to 11.0; total alkalinity in a range of 250-700, not hard or overly soft water, and chemical to scrub free oxygen out of the water. In my case the refill was essential because my well supply water was pH 6.5 (acid), and I refilled from another water source that showed pH of 7.0 (neutral).

After the professional testing I bought the quantity of boiler chemical suggested by the testing and treated the water with the refill. Ever since, several years now, the water has remained clear and the filter remains clean.

I don't have experience with more than one boiler chemical tester and supplier, that being precisionchem.com. There are others available and you can decide what you want to do.
 
Jebatty, BoilerMan

All I know about the system is that it contains rusty particles. The well water was tested by the softener installer and I will need to get those results. What Type of filter Mfg. did you use (ediment filter?)and where did you locate it in the system? -the return side right after the tank I suppose? I do have a dirt separator on it and I let it blow out every so often but it is not clear to see the overall condition of the water. I just noticed inside my callefi flow meters located on a low temp manifold that the water is rusty colored.When emptied into a a vessel, I noticed some fine rust particles settled to the bottom over nite .

Thanks for the response Boilerman and jebatty I respect advice from you both.

tmudd
 
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