Uh-oh, looks like another buggered INstall.

[Woody Stover]

I went over to load my SIL's Fireview a couple hours ago. I knew there were issues, and took some measurements. BTW, she screams like a schoolgirl if she sees a bug, so please don't tell her I had firewood in the house, or I'll be in deep dookie.

The builder did the install. I'm assuming this metal wall covering qualifies as "no protection." In that case, clearances should be 18" side, 30" back, 20" pipe. Side is 13", back is 25", pipe is 13". Rear heat shield and stack shield would fix those (18" back, 10" pipe,) leaving only the side to be addressed. Pretty sure there's no floor protection either, and it's probably tile over what, sub-floor covered with cement board? I can ask her, she may remember. I don't think I'll see anything from below but the sub-floor...
Pretty sure the chimney in the loft should be fully enclosed, correct? What about up there where the chimney goes through the ceiling, that needs 2" clearance, no?

Back downstairs, look at how that trim plate has pulled away from the ceiling! That's not framed between the joists to hold the ceiling support, is it? I'll take the trim plate off and look. Or can you support the whole shebang with a roof support? At any rate, it looks like a lot of weight is on that plate.

I can track the install instructions down but since you install gurus already know the answers, it'll free me up to loaf on internet bulletin boards.

 

[saskwoodburner]

This post is going places! I can even see the wrong and I've only installed one stove. The shielding would count if there was an air space behind it, and top and bottom. And the chimney snug in the ceiling....really?? I can't tell how it's supported.

 

[ailanthus]

 

[Woody Stover]

I can't tell how it's supported.

Why, by the trim plate screws that go into the drywall ceiling, of course. No, there has to be more than that holding it; I've had the elbow off the back of the stove, and I didn't have to try to catch the chimney before it hit the floor.

 

[webby3650]

It can be supported from the roof
It does need a 2" clearance everywhere
It does need to be completely enclosed if it passes through living space.

 

[webby3650]

Nice cold air return right above the stove too. Did this place get inspected?

 

[Woody Stover]

Nice cold air return right above the stove too. Did this place get inspected?

Well, he must have at least inspected the Benjamins the guy had in his outstretched hand... You know offhand what the rule is on those? Might be a hot-air vent...

 

[jeff_t]

You know offhand what the rule is on those?

10'

 

[Warm_in_NH]

It amazes me how often I see stuff like this and nothing adverse ever happens from it. But I know if I miss a 2" clearance by an 1/8" the whole structure would burn to the ground and they'd be able to track it right back to my and my insurance company.

 

[begreen]

Well, he must have at least inspected the Benjamins the guy had in his outstretched hand... You know offhand what the rule is on those? Might be a hot-air vent...

Sorry to see this. I'll bet ya that's a return air vent. It has fixed louvers, but that is the lesser of issues here. Contractor could be liable for a house fire. This definitely wasn't inspected. Continue on up into the attic, I suspect what we see isn't the end of the story.

 

[Woody Stover]

Continue on up into the attic, I suspect what we see isn't the end of the story.

It's just trusses up there, no attic, but there may be a way I can get a look. What do you imagine I might see to further horrify me?

 

[begreen]

Attic insulation shield missing, not honoring clearances including through the roof would be red flags. Did they at least honor the 10-3-2 rule outside?

 

[Highbeam]

Would be fun to see how badly they buggered up the roof flashing too. Probably cement all over.

 

[begreen]

Yes, this is like one of those find 10 things wrong with this picture puzzles.

 

[Woody Stover]

Did they at least honor the 10-3-2 rule outside?

I didn't measure, but I think so. I can see the top of the stack from the ground on the other side of the ridge, and it seems I have to reach up to take off the rain cap when I run the brush down the chimney. BTW, I can feel they had to jog the stack to line up between rafters... 3-2-10 is the most basic rule, probably known by many more people than some of the other stuff that's not passed on by word of mouth, and most would actually have to research. This may have been installed before the internet really took off to make the research so much easier. She did have the manual, though...

 

[kennyp2339]

Yes, this is like one of those find 10 things wrong with this picture puzzles.

You mean fire stop shield? then on top of that you would need the attic insulation shield of it can fit.

 

[Woody Stover]

Would be fun to see how badly they buggered up the roof flashing too. Probably cement all over.

Well at least they might have a clue there since a builder installs other vents, skylights etc...

 

[bholler]

I have seen some of the worst installs done by house builders that think they know it all and dont need the instructions. Id rather see someone with no experience do it actually it might take forever and might look sloppy but you can bet they will follow the instructions.

 

[bholler]

You mean fire stop shield? then on top of that you would need the attic insulation shield of it can fit.

Many don't require a heat shield that will vary from manufacturer to manufacturer but you always need some way to keep insulation from coming in contact with the pipe.

 

[Woody Stover]

I have seen some of the worst installs done by house builders that think they know it all and dont need the instructions.

Yeah, so what if your house burns down and your insurance won't cover it. It's no skin off my....nose.

 

[begreen]

You mean fire stop shield? then on top of that you would need the attic insulation shield of it can fit.

Yes, good point. There is supposed to be a firestop at the ceiling penetration. Bet there isn't one.

 

[bholler]

Yeah, so what if your house burns down and your insurance won't cover it....it's no skin off my....nose.

Well the builders insurance would have to cover it if the owners didnt. But i always look at it like what would i do if my family was going to live there.

 

[Woody Stover]

Yes, good point. There is supposed to be a firestop at the ceiling penetration. Bet there isn't one.

Yeah, that would come with some kind of trim plate, wouldn't it?

 

[bholler]

Yes, good point. There is supposed to be a firestop at the ceiling penetration. Bet there isn't one.

I dont know how i read that as a heat sheild yeah you always need a firestop as well

 

[begreen]

No, I think the trim plate is extra.