Wood stove for shop

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Bardo

New Member
May 25, 2021
7
Utah
I am in the middle of building a shop. It is a uninsulated metal building 500 sq ft. Concrete floor - the ceiling is open and the walls are 10’ to 13’. I live in southern Utah at 4500’. I am wondering what wood stove you guys would recommend. I would go as high as $1800 for the stove if I can take advantage of the 26% tax credit. Every thing else (chimney) is an additional $8-900. From the store I went to. That was uninstalled.
 

bholler

Chimney sweep
Staff member
Jan 14, 2014
24,178
central pa
I am in the middle of building a shop. It is a uninsulated metal building 500 sq ft. Concrete floor - the ceiling is open and the walls are 10’ to 13’. I live in southern Utah at 4500’. I am wondering what wood stove you guys would recommend. I would go as high as $1800 for the stove if I can take advantage of the 26% tax credit. Every thing else (chimney) is an additional $8-900. From the store I went to. That was uninstalled.
Honestly I would recommend a big old steel box like a fisher Alaska etc. Lots of btus fast and they are tanks that you can abuse pretty hard without hurting them.

On question I have to ask is what will it be used for. If it will be used to work on or store vehicles or fuel you can't install a woodstove by code
 

BCC_Burner

Feeling the Heat
Sep 10, 2013
383
Crystal River Valley, CO
The OP is from southern Utah, you'll probably get beaten and tied to a fence for the vultures to pick clean for even mentioning building codes to him.
 

Bardo

New Member
May 25, 2021
7
Utah
It will be a wood shop. It won’t get daily use. I will be parking a side by side inside but not storing fuel.
 

Bardo

New Member
May 25, 2021
7
Utah
What I have noticed is most the epa small stoves dont have much any user contraliaiblity. I have looked at the jotul 602 and the VC aspen. The 602 has some air control in the door but doesn’t qualify for the tax credit. The VC aspen has no controls but qualifies for the tax credit. These stoves fit my 500 sq ft. But now I’m wondering if I go a little bigger stove because of the exposed concrete floor the taller ceiling and uninsulated building.
 

bholler

Chimney sweep
Staff member
Jan 14, 2014
24,178
central pa
What I have noticed is most the epa small stoves dont have much any user contraliaiblity. I have looked at the jotul 602 and the VC aspen. The 602 has some air control in the door but doesn’t qualify for the tax credit. The VC aspen has no controls but qualifies for the tax credit. These stoves fit my 500 sq ft. But now I’m wondering if I go a little bigger stove because of the exposed concrete floor the taller ceiling and uninsulated building.
You need to go allot bigger than either of those. The square footage ratings are for well insulated spaces with 8' ceilings. And you will be bringing it up from cold which takes allot of btus. As far as code check with your local code about a stove in a wood shop there is no national code against it but some areas don't allow it.

And if you are storing your side-by-side in there you are storing fuel as well
 

stoveliker

Minister of Fire
Nov 17, 2019
766
Eastern Long Island NY
I'd think that a stove has a "start up time" that is rather long. So I would consider how often and how long you'd be in that shop. All the time? (Will you have enough wood, time to work for wood for the stove?)

Or intermittently? It takes time to heat up (the stove, and then the space), in particular when it's really cold in there.
It's not "switch on and be warm".

Wouldn't a propane heater/blower be easier?
 

bholler

Chimney sweep
Staff member
Jan 14, 2014
24,178
central pa
I'd think that a stove has a "start up time" that is rather long. So I would consider how often and how long you'd be in that shop. All the time? (Will you have enough wood, time to work for wood for the stove?)

Or intermittently? It takes time to heat up (the stove, and then the space), in particular when it's really cold in there.
It's not "switch on and be warm".

Wouldn't a propane heater/blower be easier?
That is what I have went to in my shops. Most are kept at 55 or 60 all the time then turned up a little when I am working. My automotive shop isn't heated fulltime just
 

Bardo

New Member
May 25, 2021
7
Utah
It would be used mostly on the weekends and for all day. The side by side won’t be in there while using it. It would be used for personal projects and I do some wood turnings for my work on the side. My full time job is I work in a wood shop. I draw in auto cad, program for a CNC router and then do the cutting for all our custom stuff. I have access to a lot of good sized fall off hardwoods. We have a rip saw for our molder that I can get truck loads of smaller thinner fall off. But I also enjoy cutting firewood and have about 5 chords dried and ready. So dried firewood isn’t a problem.
 

begreen

Mooderator
Staff member
Nov 18, 2005
87,668
South Puget Sound, WA
A cold, uninsulated building with a concrete floor is going to suck heat like nobody's business. This space will need a much larger stove than the sq ftg indicates. Additionally, it takes a lot of extra btus to bring the mass of the building (including all the equipment in it) up to temperature. Go for a large stove. I'm not even sure if the tax credit covers non-residential installations. For example, it does not cover rental properties that one does not live in. Something to check on.

Take a look at the Drolet Myriad if the desire is to buy new and consider adding a ceiling fan to move hot air that will pocket up high at the roof peak.
 

peakbagger

Minister of Fire
Jul 11, 2008
6,218
Northern NH
I have an ancient wood furnace in my shop. It is basically a firebox surrounded by a plenum with a fresh air blower blowing into the bottom of the plenum. it blows heated air out of duct on the top of the box with a snap disk to turn the fan on and off. it really warms the place up quick, far quicker than a regular wood stove. The trade off is its a bit noisier.
 

begreen

Mooderator
Staff member
Nov 18, 2005
87,668
South Puget Sound, WA
Not a bad idea. It will move a lot of air quickly.
 

marty319

Feeling the Heat
Nov 17, 2014
256
Belair mb
I have an ancient wood furnace in my shop. It is basically a firebox surrounded by a plenum with a fresh air blower blowing into the bottom of the plenum. it blows heated air out of duct on the top of the box with a snap disk to turn the fan on and off. it really warms the place up quick, far quicker than a regular wood stove. The trade off is its a bit noisier.
My friend has same setup in his garage. Whenever I gotta work on my car I text him I'm coming over and in an hour his garage is toasty warm
 

peakbagger

Minister of Fire
Jul 11, 2008
6,218
Northern NH
In cold weather, I run a jet heater for a few minutes while the stove is warming up. I do not have the duct coming out the plenum connected to anything but expect I could hook it up to duct running to the other end of the shop but what I have works. I wish the stove was a more efficient design, its a bottom grate where all the air comes up through an ash pan. The air damper is basically on/off.
 

Bardo

New Member
May 25, 2021
7
Utah
So for new i should look at the Drolet Myriad. The place that i was looking to buy new had a used regency medium wood stove with a blower. He said it was in excelent shape and only had a few fires in it. He said it was an older gentlemen's stove and he decided he wanted a gas stove. He was asking 1000. I dont know if that is a good deal or not. He the me they stopped making it with the new 2020 epa regulations. He wasnt really pushing me on that stove i just asked if he ever got used stoves.
 

begreen

Mooderator
Staff member
Nov 18, 2005
87,668
South Puget Sound, WA
Medium-sized means different things to different people. Exactly which Regency model? At $1000 it's not much less than a known large stove.

A cheaper stove that will also work.

Or
 
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Highbeam

Minister of Fire
Dec 28, 2006
18,796
Mt. Rainier Foothills, WA
I have a shop stove. Permitted and insured with three bays. You need as big a stove as possible because you will be bringing a cold shop up to temp as quickly as possible and that takes high output. My epa stove is 3.5 cubic feet and i could always use more. Plus it’s more pleasant loading a large stove.

I insulated my concrete slab, walls, and ceiling so once warm the shop holds heat well. I recommend at least the slab insulation since you can’t add it later.
 

Bardo

New Member
May 25, 2021
7
Utah
Well i ended up getting the regency it is older but in great shape. It is model r6 which i believe is there 3100 now and is a bigger stove. He came down on price. I like that it had the blower it is real quiet on low.
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Bardo

New Member
May 25, 2021
7
Utah
I have already poured the slab.

I have a shop stove. Permitted and insured with three bays. You need as big a stove as possible because you will be bringing a cold shop up to temp as quickly as possible and that takes high output. My epa stove is 3.5 cubic feet and i could always use more. Plus it’s more pleasant loading a large stove.

I insulated my concrete slab, walls, and ceiling so once warm the shop holds heat well. I recommend at least the slab insulation since you can’t add it later.