EPA - New Rules, Many Stoves will become obsolete
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RKS130
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Mt Bob
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Yep more tolatarian government.The epa has caused more financial ruin to this country than just about anything else.
IHATEPROPANE
Minister of Fire
“We can harness the huge demand for this type of renewable energy if the stoves and boilers are clean enough,”
LMFAO, yes this is the first thing that comes to mind when people switch to wood for heat. Not money or personal independance....
LMFAO, yes this is the first thing that comes to mind when people switch to wood for heat. Not money or personal independance....
Mt Bob
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IHATEPROPANE
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This article along with your metering thread does paint a pretty picture of the huge government power grab going on right now to get in in the movement that has happened towards pellets......
They got to be very careful considering the price of pellets has increased over 20% in the three years i have been burning and looks to continue. With the time and effort that is needed to heat this way without substantial savings the sector will come to a screeching halt.
They got to be very careful considering the price of pellets has increased over 20% in the three years i have been burning and looks to continue. With the time and effort that is needed to heat this way without substantial savings the sector will come to a screeching halt.
Now, wait just a minute...
These standards are, as I read it, for new equipment. And I'm thinking many manufacturers already meet or exceed these. So exactly how is this really hurting us? In fact, I wish they had gone further and implemented the efficiency standards as well.
And please, let's keep this to a discussion of the standards and not a broader, catch-all political debate. Like many agencies and organizations I have a mixed opinion on the EPA (some great work and some not so great, IMO) but I don't see where this particular standard will hurt us.
These standards are, as I read it, for new equipment. And I'm thinking many manufacturers already meet or exceed these. So exactly how is this really hurting us? In fact, I wish they had gone further and implemented the efficiency standards as well.
And please, let's keep this to a discussion of the standards and not a broader, catch-all political debate. Like many agencies and organizations I have a mixed opinion on the EPA (some great work and some not so great, IMO) but I don't see where this particular standard will hurt us.
Which is why I'm posting this info. Way back when I started this business the only folks that embraced what I was doing was the industry movers and shakers. Curious what the mafia types from the HPBA are going to say at the oral testimony.
Something to note though, most pellet stoves will meet compliance, wood stoves will be harder. The double auger stoves from Englander come in at 2.4 grams I think. Box stores will have a tougher time competing. Perhaps this why HHT as gotten the Pleasant Hearth and Heatilators in to the box stores.
Something to note though, most pellet stoves will meet compliance, wood stoves will be harder. The double auger stoves from Englander come in at 2.4 grams I think. Box stores will have a tougher time competing. Perhaps this why HHT as gotten the Pleasant Hearth and Heatilators in to the box stores.
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IHATEPROPANE
Minister of Fire
It probably doesn't hurt us today. Its what happens in the future. To justify their own existence they will have to continue to introduce new regulation, kinda like the 40,000 new laws that went into affect Jan 1. Eventually hurting the industry, the economy, and the people that work in these industries.
And don't get me wrong, there needs to be regulations for everything. Its just that they usially end up doing more harm than good in the long term.
here's a link to a summary of the proposed rule. The actual document is 500 pages, I'll try to find a link to that too.
http://www2.epa.gov/sites/productio..._campaign=January+Newsletter&utm_medium=email
http://www2.epa.gov/sites/productio..._campaign=January+Newsletter&utm_medium=email
We have many communities around the country that have problems made worse by those stoves, so getting them to "clean up their act" - is a good thing. One of the reasons we elected to go with pellets was the "green" aspect (and I'd like to find a good local source to make them greener). To my mind, this is a reasonable use of regulation to benefit society.
Not yet. I love some of these threads where people start complaining because new stoves will be more efficient. And nothing they already have is going to be affected.
Mt Bob
Minister of Fire
I agree.If you have a few hours I could tell you about the epa,ethanol and the automotive industry,but for now I'll let it go.
IHATEPROPANE
Minister of Fire
The box stores will never have a hard time competing.
They sell Ariens and Husqvarna etc etc. The Harman's of their respective industries. I would not be surprised to see Enviro or Harman sold there one day.
IHATEPROPANE
Minister of Fire
First, aren't they leaving efficiency alone for now?
Second, the worst mindset to have is " it doesn't effect me now" lol
I can see that coming too, though the hopper lids will be plastic and after every 5 years you'll need to buy a new one.
Bioburner
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Simple wording can change how the stoves are regulated, "sale,service or transfer of any unit will have to meet standards" could make all stoves come up to any new standards in time.
There is an oportunity for public comment on Feb 26th, go and make yourself heard all you "Haters" 
IHATEPROPANE
Minister of Fire
The biggest part of the rule that I'm excited about is the fact that all stoves will now have to state their efficiency. No more default 78% and hide away the real numbers. This will help some models and hurt some others but many makers hide the fact that their stoves (and we are talking about very well known brands here cause I've seen the redacted documents) are simply very inefficient. Anyone know of an insert that was recently resigned? Just sayin...
IHATEPROPANE
Minister of Fire
There is an oportunity for public comment on Feb 26th, go and make yourself heard all you "Haters"
I will be working
IHATEPROPANE
Minister of Fire
This will be good for sure. Let the market decide what they want to buy. My concern is does the good clthat comes from this out weight the bad?? I guess we will all have different opinions on this and its the debate that makes bad ideas good and good ideas great.
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