My quote for a Lopi Freedom installed with an uninsulated liner is $4444.00 and the quote for PE Summit with an insulated liner is $5000.00. I like the summit because it is rated to heat more space and comes with an insulated liner but not sure if it is worth the extra $500.00, the other store said I didn't need the insulated liner and that they did not use insulation with their liners. What would be your pick and why? thanks for any suggestions
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I don't know either stove so as far as that goes I will let some one who knows them comment but I would go with insulation. Ask the place that says they don't need insulation if the warranty or ul listing stands on the liner with out the insulation. The insulation is worth a couple hundred bucks and if the summit will heat more that is how I would go.
btuser
Minister of Fire
Don't trust the sqft ratings. The same stove would have a different rating in two different houses.
At the time of my purchase I was trying to decide between the same two units. I went for the Lopi because I liked the dealer. They're both really good in my opinion.I was able to install my insert extended out about 8" so I get a little bit of stove top. I also love the bypass feature during the burning season as especially when sweeping the flue in the Summer. First year I swept mid-season but since my wood is now dry I get by with once a year.
I insulated my insert chimney because it was an exterior masonry fireplace. Very glad I did. If it was a center chimney I wouldn't have bothered, but don't forget about checking with your insurance company about what their requirements (or recommendations) are going to be. Insulating the liner changes the fire rating. Something else to think about.
At the time of my purchase I was trying to decide between the same two units. I went for the Lopi because I liked the dealer. They're both really good in my opinion.I was able to install my insert extended out about 8" so I get a little bit of stove top. I also love the bypass feature during the burning season as especially when sweeping the flue in the Summer. First year I swept mid-season but since my wood is now dry I get by with once a year.
I insulated my insert chimney because it was an exterior masonry fireplace. Very glad I did. If it was a center chimney I wouldn't have bothered, but don't forget about checking with your insurance company about what their requirements (or recommendations) are going to be. Insulating the liner changes the fire rating. Something else to think about.
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lopiliberty
Minister of Fire
If the chimney is centrally located I would say an uninsulated liner is ok. If its an exterior chimney it should be insulated to reduce the cooling process and creating creosote. Does that quote include a block off plate. I ask because if the lopi dealer doesn't insulate his liners maybe he also doesn't use block off plates
lopiliberty
Minister of Fire
It all makes since now. He doesn't use insulation on the liner because he probably thinks the excess heat coming up the flue from no block off plate will keep the liner warmer. Without a block off plate a good amount of heat radiating off the insert will go right up the flue. Not to mention if the surround doesn't fit snug around the fireplace opening you will be sucking heated room air up the flue.
he also uses duraflex liners and the quote for PE Summit uses Armor flex, any big difference between the 2 liners, thanks
NextEndeavor
Burning Hunk
The Lopi bypass damper not only makes a chimney sweep job go faster, it makes for quicker lightups and easier reloads without smoke into the living space. But, those tasks are only a small part of the wood burning experience. With a good draft most stoves shouldn't smoke you out. Just carefully open the door slowly. Go with the stove that looks the best to you and family because you'll have many hours just watching it as the flames dance. I would not install it without the block off plate and be sure the liner is insulated. Mine wasn't, the first year. I did it the next summer. Now I have a stronger, constant draft even as the stove cools down. Plus creosote is almost nonexistent.
the biggest difference in price was the liners, is there that big a difference in a duraflex liner and a armorflex liner
tcassavaugh
Minister of Fire
im not familiar with inserts, however, I do have a summit free standing. my thoughts are that if the guy doesn't use a block off plate, you are not really getting a proper install. the pipe, I could take or leave but I have a double wall (uninsulated I think) which isn't a problem. I have the summit free standing and its a good stove....big firebox and pretty easy to run IF you have good dry wood. that's the only fault I have found with it. it doesn't like unseasoned wood at all. the other one probably doesn't either so keep that in mind with either stove.
Charles1981
Minister of Fire
You definitely want an insulated liner and block off plate no matter what with your exterior chimney.
The price is within reason. I had a 2040 Encore and Un-insulated liner installed (because my chimney is central within the house) for 4100$. This was 6" liner as well. So include insulation and an 8" liner and both of those are larger stoves as well than mine and the price seems to be about approximately the same.
The price is within reason. I had a 2040 Encore and Un-insulated liner installed (because my chimney is central within the house) for 4100$. This was 6" liner as well. So include insulation and an 8" liner and both of those are larger stoves as well than mine and the price seems to be about approximately the same.
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