Im back with another crazy woodstove idea. :(

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greythorn3

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well last year i put that wood stove the BK in my upstairs, and this summer i moved it to the 2nd floor (basement rec room) well heres where the fun begins.. i cut some holes right below where the original pipe comes down, adn the dang floor joists are not alighned with the rafters, so iiif i wanna go straight down like my plan is, i will have to cut a floor joist! oh man, has anyone ever done this? should i do somethign else?


Ray
 
Jog it over with a 30 degree elbow, don't cut the floor joist.
 
that takes away my straight ultimate draft chimney tho!

juist checked into 8" DuraTech 30° Stainless Steel Elbow Kit!! what a rip! $427

joists will be cheaper!
 
greythorn3 said:
well last year i put that wood stove the BK in my upstairs, and this summer i moved it to the 2nd floor (basement rec room) well heres where the fun begins.. i cut some holes right below where the original pipe comes down, adn the dang floor joists are not alighned with the rafters, so iiif i wanna go straight down like my plan is, i will have to cut a floor joist! oh man, has anyone ever done this? should i do somethign else?


Ray

How is your basement on the second floor?
 
concrete block 1/2 junderground
 
Huh?... I'm not a fan of cutting joists, trusses, or rim boards, but if you gotta do it- sister up some same size lumber, go 1 1/2 times your cut length on either end, and THEN box and reinforce the cut-out with steel. Angle or channel would work, properly braced. Until we see pictures of your situation, don't proceed on my word. I do modify existing structures to accept new work loads, but I only offer this as vague advice.
 
so it seems the 30 deg chimney is the smarter solution? you know i really wanted it straight, what is this going to do for my draft? probably not hurt itmuch huh?...


the reason i come on here to ask is because you always have given me good advice.. even if its not the way i wanted it.

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keep the ideas comming thanks again
 
I am not an engineer but I would think you could cut the joist and run a couple of cross pieces between the other two joists. I like to use the brackets used on building decks, they hold alot of weight and they make one for a double. To me in would be like putting a header over a doorway. You are only talking about a couple feet of support. I will be interested to see what others think. When we put a fireplace in my old house we knocked a big hole in the cement block to put in the fireplace. The guy who did it had put in hundreds of fireplaces, and I was just helping. That never caused a problem and I am sure it was alot more stressfull on the building than cutting one truss.
 
If it works, and gives you the required clearance, it's the way to go. My new install of a BKK is costing me $400 for off-sets and pipe on a less than 5' rise. Cheap compared to what it would cost to modify roof trusses and such. Honestly, spend the $427 and sleep easy. Your draft will be fine, especially up there. Good luck, JB
 
well i measured and it looks like i can either go 11"(yellow crayon is center of chimney) to the left or 5" (orange crayon is center of chimney) to the right to clear the joist, simpson sells a 15 deg and a 30 deg.. i wonder if a 15 deg would cut it to the left 11"(the big black circle is the hole size i was going to cut, then i was gonna cut 2" around it for clearance or a little more...



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heres a diagram i found that shows how to modify a cut joist, looks pretty straight forward, i think it would deffinatly cost less then 400$ for me to do. im still on the fence about what way to go. all i would need to cut is one joist unlike the picture as they show 2 cut.



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Yup, that was what I was thinking of for a layout. BUT I was thinking of load bearing, and you're only looking at a pass-through, so no problems that I see as long as you keep the clearances. Check out "Simpson hangers", that's what you'll use and HD sells them. You'll have to pick which hanger you need, and they make a bunch of styles, but yeah, it should end up costing less money to DIY. I'm whipped, off to bed. Good luck, JB
 
well wouldn it be load bearing since its a floor im cutting through?

i researched more and looks liek i would also need another 18" piece of ss duratech so thats another 100$

according to this chart, if i want to do the left placement.



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BrowningBAR said:
greythorn3 said:
well last year i put that wood stove the BK in my upstairs, and this summer i moved it to the 2nd floor (basement rec room) well heres where the fun begins.. i cut some holes right below where the original pipe comes down, adn the dang floor joists are not alighned with the rafters, so iiif i wanna go straight down like my plan is, i will have to cut a floor joist! oh man, has anyone ever done this? should i do somethign else?


Ray

How is your basement on the second floor?

ha i missunderstood your ?

what im doing is i had it upstairs on the 2ns level, and moved it to the basement... so now im cutitng a hole in the upstairs floor to get the chimney to the basement
 
greythorn3 said:
heres a diagram i found that shows how to modify a cut joist, looks pretty straight forward, i think it would deffinatly cost less then 400$ for me to do. im still on the fence about what way to go. all i would need to cut is one joist unlike the picture as they show 2 cut.



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That's what I'm doing--the joist cut and boxing--in the same situation. If you're reasonably handy it is straightforward. I'd brace the cut joist on both sides outboard of your cut first--2x4s tapped in between joist and floor should do. And I'd sister the adjacent joists *before* cutting.

Remember, I'm not an attorney, and make no guarantees of suitability for any purpose. ;)

Good luck!
 
DON'T TAKE THIS PERSONALLY (but that said) based on the holes you have in the tile already, buy the offset
 
Like GolfAndWoodNut and Beetle-Kill suggested, installing two joist headers and hangers to support the cut ends of the modified joist(s) is the way to go.

I'm not sure how clear this will be, but:

Remove the drywall ceiling below for about 4 to 5 feet around the spot to be cut, nail 2x4 plates perpendicular to the joists on each side of the section to be cut out and spanning both the joist you want to cut and the neighboring joists on each side. Then put bottom plates directly below them on the floor, and hammer in some 2x4's cut about 1/8 inch taller than the space between the top and bottom plates. That will result in two 'pressure fit' supporting walls oriented perpendicular to the joists, one on each side of the soon to be cut area of the target joist. You'll want one stud 2x4 below each joist. Cut out the section out of the middle joist, install the headers, through nail it all, and then slip on and nail in the joist hangers (one at each end of each header and one at each point where the cut joist meets a header, for a total of 6). Take down the supporting 2x4s, pull the top and bottom plates, patch the drywall, install your through-floor fitting, and you're golden!

Since you're only supporting a single joist, you could probably get away without sistering the joists that the headers hang from, though it would be safest to have a doubled joist on each side running all the way from one joist support point to the other. That would obviously require some additional drywall removal and should be done before you take any of the steps listed above after cutting out the drywall.

If you don't have dimensional lumber joists and instead have engineered wooden joists that look like I-beams, make sure you install a filler piece to bring the web flush with the beams in each place that a header or joist butts up at 90 degrees to the engineered joist. The joist hanger needs solid contact to do it's job and bear the weight of the hanging joist.

And, my disclaimer: If any of that doesn't make sense, call a contractor! :)
 
FixedGearFlyer said:
Like GolfAndWoodNut and Beetle-Kill suggested, installing two joist headers and hangers to support the cut ends of the modified joist(s) is the way to go.

I'm not sure how clear this will be, but:

Remove the drywall ceiling below for about 4 to 5 feet around the spot to be cut, nail 2x4 plates perpendicular to the joists on each side of the section to be cut out and spanning both the joist you want to cut and the neighboring joists on each side. Then put bottom plates directly below them on the floor, and hammer in some 2x4's cut about 1/8 inch taller than the space between the top and bottom plates. That will result in two 'pressure fit' supporting walls oriented perpendicular to the joists, one on each side of the soon to be cut area of the target joist. You'll want one stud 2x4 below each joist. Cut out the section out of the middle joist, install the headers, through nail it all, and then slip on and nail in the joist hangers (one at each end of each header and one at each point where the cut joist meets a header, for a total of 6). Take down the supporting 2x4s, pull the top and bottom plates, patch the drywall, install your through-floor fitting, and you're golden!

Since you're only supporting a single joist, you could probably get away without sistering the joists that the headers hang from, though it would be safest to have a doubled joist on each side running all the way from one joist support point to the other. That would obviously require some additional drywall removal and should be done before you take any of the steps listed above after cutting out the drywall.

If you don't have dimensional lumber joists and instead have engineered wooden joists that look like I-beams, make sure you install a filler piece to bring the web flush with the beams in each place that a header or joist butts up at 90 degrees to the engineered joist. The joist hanger needs solid contact to do it's job and bear the weight of the hanging joist.

And, my disclaimer: If any of that doesn't make sense, call a contractor! :)

this sounds like the wat im headed but i will double them up like the pic
 


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getting the sheetrock removed.. yea!
 
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getting the sheetrock removed.. yea!

We're pulling for ya. If you cut a rectangular hole, it will be easier to cut a drywall patch to fit.
 
ya im gonna take it out to the center beam in the room, and clean up the edges some, might remove the texturing form the whole ceiling on that side, thats what we been doing with most the house anyhow.
 
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ya im might remove the texturing form the whole ceiling on that side, thats what we been doing with most the house anyhow.

I'm with you on that, my whole house has that stuff!
 
ahh got it all installed! lovin the wood heat again! infact i like it even better in my basement! gotta little finishing work to do and maybe get some angle single wall to move it fron infront the laundry door more..



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looks good! keep up the good work!
 
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ahh got it all installed! lovin the wood heat again! infact i like it even better in my basement! gotta little finishing work to do and maybe get some angle single wall to move it fron infront the laundry door more..



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Isn't the class A stainless pipe suppose to sit on a support. Also shouldn't there be a fire stop plate? Nice framing job!

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Congratulations! Did you sister (double) the two joists on either side of the one you cut? That's SOP. I can't see it in the photo. Good luck.
 
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