I have had a couple other threads regarding my questions and issues with what I will need regarding liners, installation, install and have gotten great advice from you guys. I think I am formulating a plan for what would be cheapest and easiest for us to do without a whole lot of outside help. I'm a cheapskate but believe me it's totally out of necessity. So here's the current plan: Used Englander 24-JC Insert should be coming home tomorrow. It has an 8" flue collar. There is a remote possibility that the stove will come with a liner, but I will be surprised if that's the case. So I am liner shopping. In addition to the good sources on here, I have found a couple craigslist finds, including an insulated 6" flex, and this 8" double-walled insulated pipe which is half the cost that anything else is. Guy wants $250. (It's just leaning against his house) It looks to be in great shape and from the research I have done, this is good pipe for the job Residential Type And Building Heating Appliance Chimney, Hart & Cooley MFG Co., Div. Allied Thermal Corp., Holland, MI Model D CAT No. 8DP9 With Thermal Guard Insulation UL Listed Issue No 145A It's not one of their current model pipes apparently but still good stuff. Still if I were to use it I would hope NOT to have to get a bunch of pcs or connectors that would have to go to this particular model pipe if it is not a current model. But there's probably 6 or more feet more pipe there than I will need, so I would not need any more to get height or anything. This stuff is 10" outside and 8" inside. It should fit in my flue. I could connect it right to my flue collar with a standard pc of connector, couldn't I? Next issue I have is my damper - it's a "vestal" damper which is essentially a big iron ceiling on my fireplace with a 4" tall, 29" wide slot at the back where the damper door is. At least one poster here said he had one like this and he took the door off the damper and used a grinder to enlarge the opening for a 6" flex liner to come through. As mentioned, I have an 8" collar on my stove and if I use a 6" liner I will need to take it down in size, but I am not certain how "fast" that transition is made... plus we don't have a grinder and I just don't think this solution would work for bigger, rigid double walled pipe with any type of connectors. (but maybe I am wrong about that.) My take on it is that the whole Vestal thing would probably have to be lifted out and removed if I can figure out how to do that. Then I think I could use the size of it to make a pattern for a block off plate following these handy dandy hearth.com instructions to make a block off plate which could "sit" right where the vestal damper sat? http://hearth.com/econtent/index.php/articles/making_a_block_off_plate/ (Or getting a handier friend to do this part for a fee) So does that plan sound kosher or do you all see red flags? Are there (expensive or complicated) parts I am leaving out here, like stuff up at the top of the chimney/cap, or how the pipe is fastened into the chimney, (clamps or anything?) etc? Or does this look doable with the inexpensive pipe? I will also need stove board for the floor and will have to make a narrow shield for the clearances on the lowest part of my mantel trim. But that should be it, I hope. And I THINK if all goes well this will get me a good, safe, inspected setup for under around $1000. Any comments or suggestions? And thank you again for getting me this far, I hope you all know how much I really appreciate how invaluable this forum and you all are.