Post in 'Classic Wood Stove Forums (prior to approx. 1993)' started by tominva, Jan 12, 2012.
Any thoughts on this All Nighter stove?
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Pros; Built like a Fisher.
Holding value more than other imitators.
Baby Bear with an ugly ash fender.
2 inch legs so you can lay on the floor to load it.
(the ash tray is on the floor)
How much air can really come out of those vents?
If you don't use a fan, the tubes burn out.
Welded seam up the back, when the UL was against welded firebox seams.......
If you remove the vent covers you can plumb it into your house! see below
To be blunt, looking over the ad, how can a stove owner be so uneducated to stove black a steel plate stove ? (makes a mess, it's for cast iron, forget painting it without extreme measures to get it off) for all the years they owned it, call the flue a Flute :lol: and not know firebrick is used to line the interior, not "fire stones". :ahhh: And not be able to spell where you live. Those All Nighter owners are comical.
It's certainly worth $100.
I asked and you certainly told me. Great education in a short paragraph. And pics too. What a great web site.
Lots of info, including some new stuff uploaded today, on all nighter...
Thanks for the new documents! That explains the short legs; "Fits Almost Any Fireplace" but they add the curl to the top making it higher anyway. Go figure. They do call the tray an "ash catcher", it is certainly deep. The "Wood Cool Touch Handle" was a good idea too. Bet they sold a ton of replacements! I notice quite a few for sale today missing the handle. At least a spring handle from a F well, you get the idea.
Using the term "Easy spin" under the draft cap doesn't help my attitude with this guy. Was it to make people think it was the patented E-Z Spin damper, or a dig to get under Bob's skin? His dad Trademarked the name, so who knows? At least their second facility wasn't in Oregon.
Man Coaly how many people have you turned against this site? I'm getting ready to go cry In my pillow because you don't like my all nighter HA HA. The stove I have was bought New by my Grandfather, and has been mine ever since he got to old to cut wood. I have burned this same All Nighter for a lot of years, at least 20 years. How many years did you burn a all nighter? I agree that All Nighter STOLE Bob Fisher's Idea. But, you know what, If they didn't someone else would have. I love my All Nighter, and have NEVER had the tubes burn out EVER If you dislike them so much, why don't you stay out of any thread that talks about them? It's not Rocket science that If you don't raise the top of the stove the smoke will come out the door when you open It. Someone else would have done the same thing eventually. If I read correctly In the story about Bob Fisher, he went around and got Idea's from other stove builder's before he built His right? How do you know he didn't BS everyone and copy some Hillbilly that built a stove just like the one you have In your home. Maybe you should burn one (all nighter), Instead of bad mouthing every single one you see. You have all the pic's saved, and your ready as soon as someone asks a question. Wow.
Oh yea, A Lot of Hot air come's out of those vents
I would hope giving detailed information about a stove wouldn't turn anyone away from this website. The Fisher thread with over 50,000 views has certainly helped more than I ever thought would find the information. If you feel anything I posted is incorrect, please let me know to correct it.
I bought my Fisher new, I am the Grandfather, and my Grandson cuts and splits the wood for me. He won't get it until I die.
Yes, Bob looked over stoves for sale at the time before building one for himself. Because none suited him! They were all cast iron. He was a welder, and came up with the idea of steel plate. No one came up with that idea since the Franklin stove was invented in the 1700's. If you know of a steel plate stove before Bob's, you can rewrite history. History is corrected all the time, maybe someday it will be proved that he stole the idea. Until then, he has been credited with inventing the air tight stove.
Actually when I responded January 12, to the original poster asking for thoughts on the stove, I remembered seeing some All Nighter ads on Craigslist looking for Fisher stoves and accessories. I use websites that search by mileage away like you can search eBay, and went back to those sale ads. They are still current and for sale;
http://appleton.craigslist.org/for/2739679689.html (the one with the butt crack showing has a metal spring handle?)
So no, I didn't have them saved and ready to pounce on anyone. It didn't take long to find a couple with problems like missing handles, or burned out tubes. Here's the reason this seller claims his tubes burned out;
Needs Welder, had a friend weld some pads over blower vents cause after 40 yrs must have cracked... not a problem after all I never had or used a blower on the stove.
So maybe that's why you've never had a problem with burned out tubes? You keep them cool running air through them. So here's a wood stove requiring electric to avoid damaging itself?
Here's why I'm not sure about trying one (other than it being against the Fisher Religion);
My installation is in the center of a large kitchen. New tile floor that I don't want to drill a hole through the floor to get a cord to it. Getting power to the stove becomes a trip factor. I'd be concerned about the low clearance as well. I have 24 ga. sheet metal over the sub-floor with cement board and tile. I use either a Goldilocks since January 1985, or a Mama Bear this year with bottom shield. The floor is cold under each of these models. Does the All Nighter have a shield on the bottom? A brick pad would be a trip factor with the stove in the middle of the room.
And finally, it would look funny with a set of $400 Bear Feet. Yes, a set sold for $400 on eBay this week, the highest selling set to date. Any accessories for All Nighters increasing in value that much? I have a set on every collector Fisher in my collection ! (that was correct for that year) Another reason I collect that brand.
Out of the 4 All Nighters on eBay right now, 50% need handles ! The spring handles for Fisher are still available. Same as Draft Caps. They are still being made. What is an All Nighter customer to do that needs a new handle? I have a lathe, maybe I should duplicate them and put them on eBay. I'll bet there is a good market for them. Do you have a picture of your original handle?
Searching Craigslist, most are missing handles, some have makeshift springs added, very few (one or two within 300 miles of me) have the original wood. They don't say if they're ready to fall off.
Now show me a Fisher requiring a part they can't get. And I'll send them the part. Is there a source for All Nighter parts?
The seller of the first stove pictured below answered this question on the completed ebay auction;
"Q: is it air tight, does it have a blower, heats how many sq. ft? thanx"
"A: It is air tighht. It has a place to mount a tiny insignificant blower..... "
This was the seller trying to sell the stove ! And he's a stove retailer !
I don't know who to believe.
Proof that you just can't please everybody.
If you are talking to me, I don't need to be pleased at all. I'm perfectly happy with what I have. I just don't see where the guy that started this thread needs to hear all the BS about It being a copy of a Fisher Did you see anything In the title that asked anything about a Fisher stove?? I don't think most people that burn wood would care If their Fisher had bear feet. I don't need bear feet to keep my house warm. Here's a picture of my original wood handle. I can get you a better picture In the day light! I won't clutter this guys thread anymore, but I must say All Nighter's are Very good stove's even If they are not a Fisher. They will never satisfy the Fisher lover's just because of the history behind them no matter what I say, but they work Sweet. And to some, thats all that matters I just started to use the blower this winter, so I still feel the rotten tube's are from water laying Inside the tube's.
Oh this thread is too funny! Look what you started Tominva!
I've been heating my whole house from the basement with my Big Moe for the last 8 seasons, stove came with the house and has been it's main source of heat for the house since it was built 30 years ago. The thing is an old school beast and has served me well, but it's finally retired - I will surely miss it. I feel All Nighter made quality stoves and if you can still find one in sound condition for a good price then go for it.
EDIT: Never used the Moe with a blower, air tubes are fine, but it did come with a spring handle! Hmmm?
I believe he meant even though it is a good stove, it couldn't please me.
Who mentioned it was a Fisher copy?
Man, for an All Nighter lover you use the F word a lot. :coolsmile:
Told you those All Nighter people were comical.
Tom's outta here. He wants a Baby Bear. With Feet !
With $4oo feet,will it "fetch" its own fire wood? :vampire: ;-P Couln't resist.That is a sharp lookin' stove.
Nope, they won't do that.
Here's an All Nighter caught in the morning getting it's own. That's how they loose their handles.
This is a rare photo of the rear end pucker as they pick it up.
With severe rectal damage, they need to be put down.
Yeah, that sure is a nice looking stove! I wouldn't mind that sitting in my living room.
Hey, just to be fair...where are all the photos of the neglected, rusty Fishers sitting on the side of the road? I'm guessing we won't see any due to the traumatic visual shock it may bring some members. I'm sure their will be a response that Fisher owners 'take care' of their stoves or something to that sort?
He asked for thoughts, Coaly provided them.
The best ones you find along the road are in front of a home that tried to give it to the garbage man. Of course they didn't take it, and it's always better to ask than just taking it ! I asked about an Upland 207 years ago, and they were so happy I would take it for them they gave me $20 and helped load it ! And it was full of wood !!
Here's the only Fisher I've found along the road. In a Lowe's parking lot to be exact. AFTER it was pulled from a nearby scrap yard ! Now I take trips to scrap yards, buy what's there, and give them my name and card to call when one comes in !
A look at the first few pages of the Fisher thread shows plenty. Don't forget the mutilated Honey Bear Insert with upper creosote factory, a hole burned through a door for a peep hole to see secondary burns, (that's about when I started therapy) pipes hanging out the sides of a rusty few..... Now I look on the bright side, none were missing door handles !
Well, I sure have to say coaly - you do deliver! I wasn't that caught up on that whole Bob Fisher and All Nighter thing, but knowing what I know now (thanks coaly) If I were starting out now looking for wood stove, I would have a leaning towards Fisher, if anything just based on principle.
Hi everyone. Thanks for the opinions . You haven't run me out of here yet. Dispite the difference of opinions, it has been an education. The freshly painted Fisher looks too pretty to start a fire in.
Thanks VT, sometimes it takes patience on the readers part to get through it, but there's a lot to learn there.
That door was brass plated, and painted with Stove Bright Metallic Black. Then the raised areas wiped off. That was not factory, the original flat top doors were only available painted. Charcoal Black as it was known back then. Satin Black is today's "original" available color. Brown was "Chocolate Brown", today is Stove Bright's "Bark Brown".
I'd like to see an All Nighter plated and done up like that. They don't even seem to highlight with paint on them. Maybe they look strange?
I agreed with a lot of what you had to say coaly but we were both wrong!
The debate is over, this resource has ended any dispute!
Ah yes, I saw that !
All Nighter Wood Burning stove Fireplace Better Than Fisher or Kodiak $750
(Its a single door stove, he doesn't know what a Fireplace Stove is either)
Perhaps someday rahrig7 will need to sell a Fisher. One rule of thumb in ANY business is to NEVER put down another product.
We know it isn't ATC450R since it doesn't have a handle !
Notice it's the same stove being sold by flicka9922 pictured above for 1249.99 in CT ???
Or did he steal his picture ??
Told you those All Nighter people were comical.
Some people like thing's for certain reasons, I like my all nighter because It has Never let me down EVER. It's proven Itself to me for a lot of years. Some don't like all nighter's, and they have their reasons. I guess I'm just wondering why Coaly has to give the Impression that they are not worth having because of the history of the builder. I have had mine for half of my life without a problem. I've used mine to heat all but 1 house I have lived In. Thats Including a couple teenage years at home. I could care less about all the mumbo jumbo, I feel bad for MR F-word. This site Is obviously a F-word site. So guys who have heated with an all nighter, they don't work and can not keep your house warm because It Is not,,, well you know what It's not a fisher so It's not worth having I have 2 wood handle's, so If you want to COPY them let me know and I'll send you one. Maybe then you can repay the one you worship, and copy the guy that copied him and make some money doing It. I will say some Info on this site Is great, but Coaly you are something else LOL.
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