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Any complaints about Certainteed Landmark 30 shingles?

Post in 'DIY and General non-hearth advice' started by glenlloyd, Jan 16, 2012.

  1. glenlloyd

    glenlloyd Member

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    My (new to me) house needs a new roof (badly). Found a lumber yard liquidating an old stock of Landmark 30 shingles in the color I want. The price is attractive but there was a period about 6-8 years ago where Landmarks were notorious for sticking together in the package. Seller can't confirm that these suffer from that but that's one of the reasons they're discounted heavily. Seller did have an issue with some sticking together but cannot remember whether it was this color batch or not.

    The Landmark shingles have always been fiberglass and so they aren't part of the Certainteed class-action that happened a while back. I can't seem to find anything online suggesting the Landmark was a bad product but I'm still looking.

    If they are sticky I can suffer about 30% loss without impacting the project as long as I buy all he has. Any loss above that results in buying additional new product that may not match as well (is more expensive)....but could be hidden on the back of the roof. The garage could always be done in a 3 tab in the same color and no one would notice, it sits back and is so small it wouldn't make a difference.

    If they all end up good it represents about half what it would cost in 3-tabs to do the whole project and I would get the architectural look to boot. If there's massive loss and all I can do is the garage from this batch it's more expensive than what the garage would cost in 3-tab regular price but not by a whole lot.

    Not sure this is worth the effort but thought I would fish for some commentary about it.

    Thanks

    Steve

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  2. maple1

    maple1 Minister of Fire

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    I have lost all faith in shingles - don't think they make them like they used to a long time ago. I just re-did my roof this summer, the 30 year shingles only lasted 15. I put steel on.

    That might not have helped you much.
  3. Eatonpcat

    Eatonpcat Minister of Fire

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    I vote against Certainteed...I was part of the class action suit!!

    These pictures are of 12 year old (30 year) shingles.

    I think I received somewhere around $2500.00 in the class action suit, Bunch of BS!!!

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  4. glenlloyd

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    I would tend to agree with you, one of the reasons I r&r'd my clay tile roof on the house I'm in now, those things will last 3x my lifespan and if they're done right you will have very few problems.

    I don't think shingles are what they used to be either. The roof that's on the (new) house now I figured had been on there since probably 1968 when the garage was built. They both have the same roof and the garage is one layer. It might seem to be a stretch but it used to be that organic asphalt shingles lasted well beyond their warranty, in fact until the last thirty years you didn't have to worry about shingle longevity.

    I have read extensively about the Certainteed class action and Certainteed basically tried to separate the organic and fiberglass shingles and direct the lawsuit toward the organic asphalt. I have read that some CT fiberglass shingles failed as well but in my discussions with various lumber yards around here they said that they weren't aware of any problems with them....then again who would admit anything anymore...there's so much dishonesty.

    At this point not really sure how I'll proceed. I originally intended to install an OC 3-tab Supreme roof because it came in the color I wanted and you can obtain them at a reasonable price at Menards. I've also read some bad things about OC shingles too, there seems to be no fiberglass shingle product you can get that couldn't potentially cause a problem. Too bad I couldn't find a cache of NOS organic asphalt shingles from the 60's in a warehouse somewhere, now those just might hold up for a while.

    I'm not excited about a roof job needing to be done every 10 years....and steel has come to mind also, but the buy-in for steel products I've seen is 3x the rate of a 3-tab 25 yr shingle, and I've also seen some very ugly steel roof materials recently.

    If the budget was unlimited (haha) I'd do a copper roof and be done with it....but since I'm poor I won't be going that route.

    I'm tempted to go visit the seller and buy one of the bundles out of the center of the pallet and open it up to see what's going on....prolly worth the investment IMO.

    Thanks for the advice guys.

    Steve

    I'll probably have to go and buy a bundle of the suspect NOS Landmark 30 shingles and just open them to see about sticking.
  5. glenlloyd

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    Thanks for the tip, do you remember what model of shingle it was and also what year your roof was installed?

    steve
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    Eatonpcat Minister of Fire

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    I don't recall the actual name off the top of my head, But I do remember they were called Shangles, not Shingles and were supposedly organic. We built the house in 1994, so that would have been the year of the install (40 square).

    I'm sure Certainteed makes a good product, But they will never see another penny from me (can't believe I bought something called a shangle)!!

    Good luck with whatever product you decide to use!!
  7. glenlloyd

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    I can sympathize with your desire not to give another penny to Certainteed. I have several businesses that I refuse to deal with because of similar circumstances although it's not the same as a roof.

    Roofs are expensive and not something you want to do every ten years or so, especially in the case of a 40 square roof...that's a huge house!

    I'm not looking forward to making this decision.

    Thanks for your input

    steve
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    Eatonpcat Minister of Fire

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    Steve...The house is not huge, But it has some serious 8:12 and 12:12 slopes that eat up the shingles.
  9. glenlloyd

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    Gotcha, that'll do it, nothing like a steep pitch to eat materials.
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    I've installed owens corning for 15 years and never had a problem with them. I wouldn't chance the certinteed (landmark).
    My personal first choice would be a steel roof.
  11. glenlloyd

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    I think metal is a great solution to shingles that fail to live up to their claimed longevity and manufacturers who like to shirk responsibility for producing crap, but if I did metal I'd want a soldered pan or copper shingle roof....neither of which I can afford. Some standing seam roofs would be ok perhaps but not with exposed nails.

    I like some of the new products but so far prices appear to be about 3x the money of the asphalt fiberglass products.

    My biggest complaint about a steel roof is that it makes the roof impenetrable to fire fighters....something that has recently come to light in my area of the country. Even with that I think they can provide superior protection but they don't fit every style of house either....gambrel roofs look particularly odd with steel.

    steve
  12. firefighterjake

    firefighterjake Minister of Fire

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    I wouldn't say impenetrable . . . challenging or more difficult perhaps without the right tools . . . but trust me . . . firefighters are great at breaking stuff and breaking into stuff.

    My experience has been that steel roofs do tend to make fighting the fire a little more challenging . . . mainly because they do not "self vent" like an asphalt shingle roof . . . but then again if the fire is venting itself through the roof you've already got quite a bit of damage in the home.

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