midwestcoast As far as the developing world i do not pretend to have a solution to their population problem i was being sarcastic to Dune for criticizing me just for bringing up the subject. Your suggestion about family planning and education is probably all we or anyone can can do for developing countries to turn it around. My source is the US census report and Wikipedia,who states without a doubt more than 100% of the US population growth comes from immigration cuz without it our population would actually be declining. My reason for bringing up the subject is that it has such a big impact on energy consumption and the whole green thing. Not to point fingers or suggest we should tell people how many kids to have. Without at least discussing it we probably are just fooling ourselves if we think we can solve our energy and resource problems with a little conservation here and there.